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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 8:10PM
#121
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As an aside, why is it that people get up in arms if D&D rips off Tolkien for halflings, but seem to have zero concern when it comes to elves or dwarves?
They do, only less so. Probably because dwarves and elves have a bona fide mythological precedent, while short humans called "halflings" are directly taken from the work of one author.
And orcs.
Actually, Orcs are a D&D only thing. The name is stolen from Tolkien, but the making them into it's own separate race is pure Gygax and Arneson.
See, in Lord of The Rings novels, Orcs and Goblins are actually the same thing.
Still hate the ungainly halfling.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 8:25PM
#122
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I rather like the halfling concept art. The whimsical feel is not an issue to me. I have two complaints, however. One, they seem a bit top heavy, as their proportions are essentially an inverted triangle. Two, the halfling rogue has some serious masculine facial features going on, and it's not attractive in the slightest.
Edit: All the female halflings seem to have manish features. Even the strongheart child looks a bit man-like. The female shield dwarf also looks like a man. I do like this art style, however. I really do.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 10:25PM
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I like the new Halfling art. They look fun and whimsical.
I find that I enjoy most of the D&D Next concept art.
Hate the game...enjoy the art.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 10:26PM
#124
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Date Joined:
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As an aside, why is it that people get up in arms if D&D rips off Tolkien for halflings, but seem to have zero concern when it comes to elves or dwarves?
They do, only less so. Probably because dwarves and elves have a bona fide mythological precedent, while short humans called "halflings" are directly taken from the work of one author.
And orcs.
Actually, Orcs are a D&D only thing. The name is stolen from Tolkien, but the making them into it's own separate race is pure Gygax and Arneson.
Not quite, orcs are a perversion of elves by Morgoth, and Tolkien got the word orc from the word "yrch", from some European mythology (as that was his thing).
The Noldor were originally called Gnomes.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 10:36PM
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As an aside, why is it that people get up in arms if D&D rips off Tolkien for halflings, but seem to have zero concern when it comes to elves or dwarves?
They do, only less so. Probably because dwarves and elves have a bona fide mythological precedent, while short humans called "halflings" are directly taken from the work of one author.
And orcs.
Actually, Orcs are a D&D only thing. The name is stolen from Tolkien, but the making them into it's own separate race is pure Gygax and Arneson.
Not quite, orcs are a perversion of elves by Morgoth, and Tolkien got the word orc from the word "yrch", from some European mythology (as that was his thing).
The Noldor were originally called Gnomes.
Orc comes from Beowulf according to Tolkein.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 5:53PM
#126
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One of the problems with half sized humans is the unchanging proportions. Halfling a human quarters the size of their brain (three dimensions, so halved half). 4e halflings (aka three-quarterlings) have brains a little more than half the size of a normal person. In contrast, children - like the new halfling art - have a much larger head-to-body ratio. A picture is worth a 1000 words. So here's me resized to the size of a 3e and 4e halfling.  And here's a toddler in the 3e halfling size/weight table made human sized.  The proportions are even more dramatic than those of the concept art.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 5:59PM
#127
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BAM!
Thank you Jester.
My two copper.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 6:48PM
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Square-cube law for D&D giants? Mmmm... who wants a nice helping of science with their D&D?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 7:31PM
#129
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Neat analysis Jester. It took the image you made and inserted the halfling pic....  The halfling seems pretty proportional to a human child.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 27, 2013 - 7:34PM
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The analysis of both Jester & Wrecan make me think that the halfling proportions aren't all that bad. I would still make their feet bigger (they seem too ready to tip over otherwise), but a new light has been shown. Thanks!
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