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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 6:10AM
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Halflings are terrible.
i love the others pictures, but halflings sucks.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 6:26AM
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Just gave 'em another pass to see if any would grow on me. Nope. The displacer beast is cool, but that's about it. Course, I haven't seen a decent displacer beast yet so maybe it's cool because the previous examples are so lame. I would buy text-only pdfs if this was the overall style of 5e.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 7:07AM
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The displacer beast is too muscular. Look at a tiger, jaguar, lion, any big cat, can you see their rippling muscles? No. Strong lines make for terrible camouflage, and muscular definition like that is vulnerable to damage.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 8:04AM
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The displacer beast is too muscular. Look at a tiger, jaguar, lion, any big cat, can you see their rippling muscles? No. Strong lines make for terrible camouflage, and muscular definition like that is vulnerable to damage.
I'm pretty sure the displacer beast doesn't rely on camouflage as a defense -- it has displacement for that. And displacement, ironically, requires the beast to appear plainly, so that the enemy relies on his eyes over his other senses for targeting. In this one case, it makes sense for the creature to deviate form the norm.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 8:35AM
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As CONCEPT art, I love this. A tad cartoony, sure, but it also gives the impression of life, of vitality, of "things going on." One has to remember this is a video game company producing this stuff, so their style will tend to the cartooney side. When it comes to FINISHED art I'm 100% confident there will be other artists involved.
Thanks to Conceptopolis for posting these images! I'll be checking back regularly. I'd love to see some more of the FR cultural variations.
Oh, and in case nobody answered the "why FR?" question, it's because this stuff was originally being generated as an in-house world-building bible for the FR. It was happening before DDN was a thing, and Jon said they kind of co-opted some of the ideas and integrated others into DDN design. However, it was/is primarily a FR style guide.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:35PM
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And sociology is hardly a "hard" science like physics or chemistry.
People who use that to imply that it's less valid or valuable are people who don't know very much about science or what that distinction really means.
The displacer beast is too muscular. Look at a tiger, jaguar, lion, any big cat, can you see their rippling muscles? No. Strong lines make for terrible camouflage, and muscular definition like that is vulnerable to damage.
I'm going to disagree only becase Rule of Cool. Giving certain kinds of creatures large, well defined muscles just makes them look cool, and that's a good enough reason for me.
Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TMSpeaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask? "If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB "If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave "WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm "Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further. Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 12:42PM
#287
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And sociology is hardly a "hard" science like physics or chemistry.
People who use that to imply that it's less valid or valuable are people who don't know very much about science or what that distinction really means.
The displacer beast is too muscular. Look at a tiger, jaguar, lion, any big cat, can you see their rippling muscles? No. Strong lines make for terrible camouflage, and muscular definition like that is vulnerable to damage.
I'm going to disagree only becase Rule of Cool. Giving certain kinds of creatures large, well defined muscles just makes them look cool, and that's a good enough reason for me.
The correlations between data aren't as strong in the social sciences as they are in physics, engineering, and chemistry. There are far too many variables. Plus people aren't always entirely honest when interviewed. I am not denying that some things are or are not sexist. I am saying there is no way to have an objective standard that is actually precise and accurate when measuring degrees of are whether or not something is or is not sexist. My own personal viewpoint is I like a large variety of fantasy art and I don't mind a bit of stuff that is considered over the top gory, or otherwise not fit for a 10 year old to view. In a game, sure the majority ought to match the target audiences' desires.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 1:12PM
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Theres a difference between the physical sciences and the human sciences. Even so, the human sciences are robust sciences, especially recently with the neuro sciences.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 2:15PM
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The correlations between data aren't as strong in the social sciences as they are in physics, engineering, and chemistry. There are far too many variables. Plus people aren't always entirely honest when interviewed.
That doesn't make sociology a lesser science than physics or chemistry. If anything, it makes it *more* of a science, as it must account for a much more unpredictable set of conditions. I am always amused by my so-called 'hard' science students who sneer at sociology, psychology, and so on because they don't understand that any monkey can come to accurate conclusions when they can control for all but a single, trackable variable. It takes real brains to be able to winkle even a weak correlation out of the chaos of conflicting data, dependent and independent variables, and noise which makes up sociological data. Physics is child's play. Sociology is *hard.*
But in this case, the statistics are beside the point anyway. We're talking about tautological definitions. The definition of sexism is met when one gender is treated differently than another (particularly in a manner which rhetorically disempowers it) based solely on that gender identification. That is visibly true in an unfortunate amount of fantasy art. It is happily not too terribly true in this DDN concept art, but I think it's important that the design team remain aware of the risks of alienating potential audience members. Aside from political considerations (and I always want to take people who claim disdain for the PC movement back to the 1970s so they can see what it was like when workplace sexual harassment was considered acceptable, and there was no legal consequence for date rape), consider the bottom line: the goal is for DDN to be the most accessible edition of the game to date. That goal is defeated if they front it with art which annoys, alienates, and discourages 51% of the population.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 22, 2013 - 2:45PM
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Since there will be average-looking men in art,
In some background images showing a village of serfs maybe, but men portrayed as heroes/PCs in art are anything but average looking
yes, but he wouldn't select or save them.
So “deselecting” fat women?
That is precisely, when women stop being treated as persons. And becoming images that dehumanize women, is sexism.
Yeah, the good looking heroine would make sure to select an equal number of potbellied men with dirty socks from among her legion of fans to be her personal courtiers
[ quote author=56930528 post=528270299]You should let her know that saying "I find it quaint..." immediately makes her sound condescendingly dismissive and that she shouldn't be surprised nobody takes her seriously if she speaks like that.
I find it easier to take her seriously than people who claim to know better than the very people they are championing
We have data, studies, whole fields of research dedicated to examining gender roles, their causes, their consequences, their depiction in media, and so on. That's more than "just an opinion", and to try to dismiss it as such is nothing but scientifically ignorant. What, do you think that we in sociology, media studies, and gender and women studies just sit in a circle all day and talk about our feelings? No, we collect data, create surveys, conduct interviews, study content, perform literature reviews, cite sources, and more. That's quite a bit more than "just an opinion".
Well, Norway recently did away with all federal sponsored gender studies after evaluating them
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