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Nope... we were quite forcibly moved:

"He grabbed the two gods, his fire-hardened thorns piercing even diamonds and teasing out magma, and hauled them off. Far off, to the west, past the crown, into the badlands, too fast to notice the sun burried there or the god seeking it, and into the might-be forest of forgotten dreams."  being the relevant line.

 

I skipped that very important line. I thought we were still in its vicinity. My post has been changed, not that it needed much changing.

Well I am freaky good, and freaky fast! And that could explain why Zebus can't find Marcus.... Like forgotten, I kinda missed that line. I would change my post also, but I noticed I never mentioned where I was, just where I came from! And...it gives me something to post on! xD

Like Agni did with Pyromancy (Subset of Arcane, by the sound of it)

It is... and it isn't.  I guess I should run this by you and see if you don't like it.

Basically, it is working off of the now several-times-established notion that all fire is linked to the Source of Flame, of which Agni is a manifestation (remind me to officially start his Church... I've got a Lot of theology for them bouncing around in my head).

The core of the idea is that Pyromancy is either possible as a paragon or epic tier modification of an arcane magic class, or a more 'default' arcane class for a fire-based being (who, I feel, are, like Agni, lesser manifestations of the Source).  When an arcane mage reaches very high levels, he/she is capable of discovering and tapping into this Source in a limited way, primarially by the simple manipulation of the flame in question, but at the highest levels by using the soul of the caster to quite literally manipulate the link which all flames share with the Source.

Just to make sure I follow, Joran, you are saying that Zebus is trying to decay an immortal godbeast from a continent away... actually, didn't Pen make his forest retreat a plane? So, a continent and demi-plane away?

EDIT: Forgotten, at first I thought your character was just trying to hide even  though he had a continent seperating him from the beast.

ok. have it your way thought.

you've made a compelling arguement. actions deleted.

Apr 22, 2013 -- 7:44PM, Topheh wrote:

Like Agni did with Pyromancy (Subset of Arcane, by the sound of it)

It is... and it isn't.  I guess I should run this by you and see if you don't like it.

Basically, it is working off of the now several-times-established notion that all fire is linked to the Source of Flame, of which Agni is a manifestation (remind me to officially start his Church... I've got a Lot of theology for them bouncing around in my head).

The core of the idea is that Pyromancy is either possible as a paragon or epic tier modification of an arcane magic class, or a more 'default' arcane class for a fire-based being (who, I feel, are, like Agni, lesser manifestations of the Source).  When an arcane mage reaches very high levels, he/she is capable of discovering and tapping into this Source in a limited way, primarially by the simple manipulation of the flame in question, but at the highest levels by using the soul of the caster to quite literally manipulate the link which all flames share with the Source.

Gotcha. Let's call it "Elemental" Magic, in the general case, then (pulling in mana from the elemental plane).

And, of course, since only Fire seems to have a plane of its own, all Elemental magic is Pyromancy!  For now! Dun dun dun!

Well, everything is Flammable.

Apr 22, 2013 -- 2:18PM, Pen_Draggin wrote:

I know that's all my stuff. I can't speak for others, but I've been hesitent to interact with what you've been creating/doing because you seemed to have limited time and a specific story to tell. I mean, a giant egg fell right into the middle of Nix territory/the crown, then the sun fell on that, then giant monsters hatched out of them and went rampaging, all without a notice from Pruinus or your characters. To me, I guess, that means you have plans and I shouldn't mess with them.

Nope, that means I had absolutelty no idea that was happening at all.
The main thing putting me off is the fact I just don't have a clue whats going on right now and by the time I catch up it will be gone. They could possibly be something effecting the Nix race and by the time I'm aware it happened, All chance for me to effect the outcome has gone.

Apr 22, 2013 -- 2:30PM, Thought wrote:

Anywho, that said, since I'm an antagonist, would you like me to work on an antagonist for Timmy? I'd love to brainstorm some potential conflicts or storylines with you for him. Maybe a nix fox who raises Timmy's family as zombies. Or perhaps a childhood bully who grew up and still wants to put the Legendary Hero, Timmy Bushytail, in his place? Or maybe the beautiful Susan Silkyfur has been put under a curse and only Timmy can release her?

I believe that I sent you a message about some of our old plans for Pruinus to be imprisoned by some form of God/Godbeast and the Nix Heroes (Now just Timmy) were meant to rescue her. I'd still love to do something of that kind, although whether it should be allowed for a single mortal to hold his own against such power would make any sense plot-wise.

Apr 22, 2013 -- 3:02PM, Topheh wrote:

So... proposal:  Timmy has just lost his family.  Come to the eternal Volcano and get an Agni'Vohda assassin to join him!

 

I had a few different ideas on Timmy interacting with others, specifically Koga (Both lost loved ones, could form an interesting relationship) and I was going to sent Nix to the eternal volcano to try and form some friendship between the two and forget old wrongs their respective gods did to each other (Agni searing the Nix, Pruinus harming the Agni'Vohda with Winter)

Also that said.... I think Winter should be over now...

Well thanks for the replies, makes me a lot more interested in joining in some more. I kind of want to make my own "Cyromancy" magic line to mirror Agni's Pyromancy, yet as Agni described pyromancy using heat energy, I have no idea how Cyromancy might function. If my science is correct (A good chance there) cold is nothing but lack of heat energy and Cyromancy would be manipulating nothingness essentially?

It can be whatever you want!  Pruinus is not the not-Agni, so why should Cold be the 'Not-Fire'?

Just declare this:

BEHOLD!  A plane of divine cold, which seeks out the warmth of the living and strangles it in tendrils of living ice!  And those attuned to it can summon forth its might!


Okay, please make a sentient Exarch that is a massive ice-snake.  Thanks! 

Apr 23, 2013 -- 9:20AM, Jamespies wrote:

They could possibly be something effecting the Nix race and by the time I'm aware it happened, All chance for me to effect the outcome has gone.

Is there a way you'd like us to let you know? Like, say, if I blow up the Crown, and I think that might be something that interest you, do you want me to PM you with a brief note to that effect? Maybe post to the OOC about it and highlight your name? Etc?

Apr 23, 2013 -- 9:20AM, Jamespies wrote:

I believe that I sent you a message about some of our old plans for Pruinus to be imprisoned by some form of God/Godbeast and the Nix Heroes (Now just Timmy) were meant to rescue her. I'd still love to do something of that kind, although whether it should be allowed for a single mortal to hold his own against such power would make any sense plot-wise.

Oh it totally would make sense. The key is just figuring out what the hero is good at, and how that can be used to defeat the beast. Often times, this is most emotionally effective if it is something that the Hero did when we first see him/her. For example, I read a book about a mortician. Early in the book, the mortician was embalming a body. Late in the book, he defeated a serial killer by using the embalming tools. The climax mirrored that early character establishing scene. It might seem like a trick or a formula, but it can be very satisfying.

When would you like us to start moving along with this plot?

Apr 23, 2013 -- 10:29AM, Topheh wrote:

It can be whatever you want!  Pruinus is not the not-Agni, so why should Cold be the 'Not-Fire'?

James could also take the route that there's an emotion or abstract concept that manifests as ice. Adaptation was an early theme for Pruinus, so perhaps Cryomancy focuses on challenging that abstract concept, which manifests in the material realm as cold and ice. The magician doesn't so much manipulate cold as they manipulate what the cold represents.

So, I noticed after almost a day has passed that no one has noticed, fixed or remarked upon the now inconsistencies in the IC chat. I wouldn't have said anything, except that the people that it effects most have already posted not only in IC, but also in OOC. If something is going to be made an issue of, then everything else that is affected after it should also be retconned.

Wait... you just... didn't show up?  I hadn't gone back to look as I had assumed you had just... not decayed the monster.  Obviously, if you aren't showing up... I'll actually have to modify some things.

No, Thought started to make a big deal out of the whole issue, so I cut it all out. Issue solved. So, yes you will have to modify some things.

Remind me not to let joran weed my garden...

(Forgotten begins to picture Joran wandering through the side gate, examining the few infesting weeds, and returning with the neccessary tools... only for him to toss those aside, douse the garden in lighter fluid and light a match.

"There aren't any more weeds, Forgotten! That'll be $50 now. Cash only.)

...if I had one that is.

Agreed, Forgotten.

Joran, I was just trying to make sure I understood your post before I responded, not that you needed to change it. I am very sorry that you thought I was trying to get you to change your post, and certainly sorry that you decided to remove all your posts (I was rather enjoying the interactions). Indeed, I was hoping that you'd confirm that indeed you had meant to be attacking the behemoth from across the continent. That seemed cool, just unlikely (and so I had wanted to make sure you meant what you appeared to mean).

I wasn't taking it too far. I was resolving an issue before it got out of hand. Also, I had never stated where I had arrived to, only where I had arrived from. It was kept mostly open so that I would have been able to interact regardless of location. I was where I was. Not across continents, worlds, planes, or even realms. Since an issue was being made out of it, I resolved it. Quickly. Now you make me doubt that you have read my previous posts ic or ooc now, since I had stated that very fact. Unless I lack clarity, of which I apologize, I am fairly certain I kept it open enough so that location wasn't important, yet specific enough to whom I was interacting with. Meaning that I was in the same local as those I was interacting with.

As there is no undelete post button, what has been deleted can no longer be undeleted. Now we must live with my lack of participation. As I said Thought, you made yourself a compelling enough argument.

No, Forgotten, that is the Agni method of weed control.  

To clarify, Joran, my previous post was an apology for the misunderstanding. I didn't say that you took it too far, and I am sorry you interpreted anything I said to that effect, but I did say that I was sorry that you interpreted my previous comments as a criticism against your posts that needed to be addressed.

As for your IC posts, alas, they seem to be missing now, so I can't review them to see what I might have missed.

As for your OOC post saying that location wasn't important, allow me to illustrate why I thought it was important, and so why, in turn, I tried to clarify. Let us say that Zebus were with the Godbeast, and just shouting all the way to Leaf and Agni. The godbeast would then attack Zebus immediately. But if instead Zebus was with Leaf and Agni, and was decaying the Godbeast from afar, it would have tried to track Zebus down, bringing it to the gods that had just escaped it. If instead Zebus was somewhere else completely, the beast would have tried to track Zebus there, not attacking him immediately, and not finding Leaf and Agni. Where Zebus was dictates what sort of response the godbeast would have had.

You might still disagree with my reason for attempting to clarify. That is fair enough, but hopefully you can see why I might have wanted to know where Zebus was, and why I tried to make sure I had the right understanding. It appears that I did not, and that my misunderstanding was taken as grounds for you to delete your posts. As such, again, I apologize.

And finally, the thing is, I didn't intend to make an argument, so I am sorry that you 1) interpreted what I said as an argument and 2) that you found such an "argument" compelling enough to delete some really fun posts.

And in case the other stuff I said obscured this point, allow me to reiterate: I am sorry that what I said was taken as an argument against your posts, and I am sorry that such prompted you to delete your posts. I did not wish to be antagonistic (which is perhaps a little ironic, considering I do mean TASOE to be an antagonist), and I apologize if I came across that way.

EDIT: Yeah, can't bring deleted posts back, but I still wanted to apologize to you.

Thought:

It might be a good idea to explain what it is that you are trying to do.  At the moment, your Godbeasts are just rampaging all around and beating up Gods and making red orb things and I don't think anyone has any idea how to respond.  What are they trying to do?  How can we stop them?  I think the nature of TASOE (to be silent) has led to the current state where suddenly the players (not the Gods, the Gods SHOULD be surprised) are set upon and had no idea it was coming .  By contrast, Azgo's constant shouting at the air about how he was going to invade the world and IT WAS GOING TO BE A MASSACRE made his apocolypse, although no less overwhelming, more palatable.

I guess what I am saying is:  In the future, more EVIL MONOLOGUES!   And in the present... maybe an OOC explanation would be good?


One concern from my end:  Are your creatures immortal and capable of fighting long after their wounds would have stopped others, including the Gods themselves, or are they impervious to being damaged at all?  I ask because I dealt SIGNIFICANT damage to your Godmountain that appears to have had no effect, as you reappeared seemingly whole and intact and proceeded to start crushing things again.  

I'm fine with the idea that the Godmonsters are powerful.  I'm fine with the idea that, one on one, they are capable of defeating a God.  That lends tension to the game... but when your creature defeats not one but two gods and a combat exarch and ends up without a scratch on him?  That is... worrisome.  How are we supposed to get to the God-Heart if we can't hurt the thing that has swallowed it?

whats done is sadly done and now we all must live with that.

I respectfully disagree with you, Joran. I do think it was a less-than-neccessary solution. Deleting a post seems rather... invasive as a proceedure comparative to editing. And while it did solve the problem, it opened up new problems for other people to edit in their own posts regarding your presence.

But that is merely my opinion, and only as worthy or worthless as you deem.

As said, what's done is done. There is no going back and undoing it. Instead of standing by my position and arguing for it, I just removed myself from the equation.

Topheh, of course. I'll try to be more transparent in the future.

So, evil OOC Monologue Time!

A while ago I suggested that I'd create three evil monsters that were designed to counter the then remaining First Gods (Agni, Pruinus, and Zebus, as Leaf was by all in game knowledge, dead). The idea there was that it would force the gods to work together, because Agni and his opposite could only fight to a standstill, but Agni could fight the others fine. So, they'd have to coordinate.

That basic idea developed into the Behemoth (fire), the Leviathan (ice), and the Zizu (death). I upped the stakes by making them "immortal" via an 8ap artifact (and to note, this artifact would hopefully be used later as the heart of the labrynth James and I discussed a few weeks ago). The artifact makes the creatures immortal by "locking" their lifeforce safely away, where damage to their body can't affect it. The key to "unlocking" the artifact, and thus allowing these godbeast to be defeated, is the level of discord among the gods (namely, the less, the better).

Where is this artifact? Actually, I don't know. I do know it isn't within the godbeasts themselves. But Seg knows. He had it last, and hid it. Other exarchs might know it too. Here's a list of my "exarch"s currently: Artun, Seg, Umbra, Altruis, Onus (well, the Behemoth, Leviathan, and Zizu count, but they're largely dumb beasts). I know that Agni has a reason to suspect that Artun is connected to the Behemoth, and everyone suspects that Seg's a bad egg. Azgo knows Umbra and Altruis, and I'd think that if gods encountered devistating beasts, they'd also think of Azgo. Though, I haven't been able to figure out how to draw Azgo into the conflict directly. Forgotten said that Azgo doesn't want the world destroyed, or ruled by TASOE, so that might be a leverage.

A god could also try to find Tasoe himself. I'm not really sure where he is, but if someone tries, I'd figure it out. As for his motivation, he's supposed to be a general evil dark lord. Sauron works as an evil lord because we never see him much, or understand his reasons. He's the evil that its fine to hate. Unlike Azgo, whom I, personally, find very sympathetic. He's evil, but in a way that I hope will have his redemption (even though I suspect he wont).

I actually talked to Forgotten about this the other day, and he said that it might work best to leave TASOE's motivation vague. But his end goals are to either destroy the world or rule it.

Then there are also the red orbs, which might be able to be an avenue of investigation. As I noted when I created them, they're essentially ticking time bombs. My goal is for them to be a threat to motivate people to action, while I intend for someone else to take control of them and use them as nourishes instead of harms. They're tied to the suns. Sort of like the dragonballs: collect them all and make a wish (as long as the wish is either for immense destruction or vast nourishing). But the orbs might give gods an idea that there is an intelligence behind the monsters that are leaving them.

Which brings us, finally, to the fight between the Behemoth and Agni/Ka'Voh. I am not sure you meant it as a criticism, but if not, you should have, because you would have had a good point: it's not right that the Behemoth came out so unscathed. Sorry, I really over did it. I'll go back and adjust the posts, although I will try to do so in a way that wont cause you or Forgotten to need to redo your posts.

That said, my goal in that fight was to communicate that brute force wasn't the answer. For one, in D&D terms, the Behemoth would have massive fire resistance, and a high degree of regeneration. Fire attacks would generally be quite ineffective. But also, I wanted to present it as unwinable so that the gods would be motivated to find another way. But again, it should have been more of a tie, rather than a one sided trouncing.

And THAT said, while I'd like brute force to not be the answer, it would be very valid is the gods just instead unmake all the stuff instead (I'd just ask that the artifact be unmade first). By my count, that would be 17AP. High, but if people really want to go the brute force route, it is possible.

I've been looking at my posts, trying to figure out how to adjust them, and I think that the best thing would be for me, Topheh, and Forgotten to delete our relevant posts (or portions there of) after #534 (community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...), and then just simply start over. Zebus can show up again, or not, as Joran wants. That said, I hope Zebus will show up. I really like his and "Leaf's" interactions.

On the topic of monologues,while Father Thorn has the memories of Leaf or Brother Branch, they are different avatars of life. Sort of like in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Korra is the reincarnation of the avatar, but she isn't Aang. I'm happy for the gods to have their own ideas of the reality, but I thought the players should know.

Now, you are not only forcing forces that usually not only don't go together, but usually wont work together, but you are now by your own words forcing players to use and spend AP to deal with your work or let the world end. The reason why Leaf and Zebus's interactions are so much fun is the simple fact that they hate each other. Pruinus and Agni don't get along, but tolerate each other's existence. Forcing extremes to work together is ok... but forcing players to spend AP just so that we can continue on playing? That's not ok in my book. And the way I see it is you are leaving only 3 options: RP'd brute force which we have already seen isn't very effective, Let the world end and thus end the LoC, or spend AP do unmake your artifact. I'm not comfortable with any of those choices Thought.

As the way things stand right now. I'm not happy. This is not cool.

Joran, this was discussed in the OOC thread about two months ago. Why didn't you say anything then? During the subsequent months I kept creating new horrors, monsters, etc, leading up to this. Why didn't you say anything then? The artifact key was created several weeks ago. Why didn't you say anything then? The attack began a week ago. Why didn't you say anything then? And why are you responding to an answer that I gave to Topheh's question? If you had concerns over this, why didn't you ask the question yourself? Am I really that unapproachable?

You're unhappy? Okay, let's work together to see if we can figure out a solution that will satify everyone.

There are several options left to other players. 1) Do nothing. Consequences? Evil rules the prime material plane. If evil gods can live in a good or neutral setting, why can't good and neutral gods live in an evil setting? 2) Destory the monsters. Consequences? Spend AP. How is this significantly different than countering the Craterspawn invasion with AP? 3) Something I haven't thought of. I am quite open to ideas. Consequences: talking in the OOC and voicing our concerns when they come up, not two months later. 4) The gods investigate a mystery and work together, ultimately saving the world. Consequences: More divine interactions.

You seem to hate #4 with an passion that would make Agni jealous. Why? Right now, by my count, there is only one divine alliance, and that is between Sa and Azgo. Is it really too much to ask to have just one more alliance? Or forget alliances, what about a cease fire? Is it too much to ask for Agni and Seg to be able to be in the same room? Just because Leaf and Zebus hate each other, that doesn't mean that they can't work together. I'm not even asking for a long term working relationship. Is it really too much to ask that they swallow their pride for a few minutes to save the world?

Maybe it is too much to ask. So, in turn, I ask you what your thoughts are on how to address this issue.

Apr 23, 2013 -- 7:52PM, Thought wrote:

So, evil OOC Monologue Time!


Which brings us, finally, to the fight between the Behemoth and Agni/Ka'Voh. I am not sure you meant it as a criticism, but if not, you should have, because you would have had a good point: it's not right that the Behemoth came out so unscathed. Sorry, I really over did it. I'll go back and adjust the posts, although I will try to do so in a way that wont cause you or Forgotten to need to redo your posts.

1)  Thanks.  This helped me come to terms with everything that is going on.  I, for one, missed that Seg had taken the heart away from the Leviathan, so I was trying to come up with a way for the Leviathan to swallow us in order to... address... that.  Speaking of:  Raven, Thought, don't forget that the Behemoth has a large number of grouchy dragons trapped in its throat.
2)  Yeah, that was a criticism couched in a concern.  You turned me into a GEMSTONE!  I WANT CARNAGE IN RETURN!

Apr 23, 2013 -- 8:04PM, Pen_Draggin wrote:

I've been looking at my posts, trying to figure out how to adjust them, and I think that the best thing would be for me, Topheh, and Forgotten to delete our relevant posts (or portions there of) after #534 (community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...), and then just simply start over. Zebus can show up again, or not, as Joran wants. That said, I hope Zebus will show up. I really like his and "Leaf's" interactions.

I also hope that Zebus shows up... I was enjoying giving him a tongue-lashing for being hard to find... particularly since Agni was not trying to find him in the slightest (Agni's sense of... well, everything, is highly flammable.  You don't show up when he isn't looking for you?  Must be your fault! :P)   That said, yeah, especially if Thought is modifying his posts we should delete and restart.

Apr 23, 2013 -- 8:27PM, joran1313 wrote:

Now, you are not only forcing forces that usually not only don't go together, but usually wont work together, but you are now by your own words forcing players to use and spend AP to deal with your work or let the world end. The reason why Leaf and Zebus's interactions are so much fun is the simple fact that they hate each other. Pruinus and Agni don't get along, but tolerate each other's existence. Forcing extremes to work together is ok... but forcing players to spend AP just so that we can continue on playing? That's not ok in my book. And the way I see it is you are leaving only 3 options: RP'd brute force which we have already seen isn't very effective, Let the world end and thus end the LoC, or spend AP do unmake your artifact. I'm not comfortable with any of those choices Thought.

As the way things stand right now. I'm not happy. This is not cool.

But... isn't this what all the LoCs ever are?  God X does something with AP and unless we respond through the spending of AP, that thing happens as God X intends?  Azgo went and stormed around the world a few months back and our options were either let the world/LoC end or spend AP to turn the battle around?

Plus, there are MANY more options for this artifact than just 'destroy.'  I, personally, have one in mind that will make Thought rue the day he ever created it!  (bwahahaa!)

Apr 23, 2013 -- 9:16PM, Thought wrote:

 Is it too much to ask for Agni and Seg to be able to be in the same room?

Waaaaiiiit a moment.  Seg is like... right next to where Agni is right now.  Ooooooooh, time for fireworks!








In all seriousness, though, some of this is my fault, for which I apologize.  I've been falling behind on the story, which means that for people who have a busy week or two, as I know Joran and James have had, it can be hard to keep up with everything that is going on in the world.  Heck, I can barely keep up myself and I'm the one RECORDING the story... and doing a not great job of it at the present moment.

I think what this has revealed is something that we've always known... communication in this game is absolutely vital if we are going to tell the sort of stories that we all want to get told.  Obviously, I don't want the OOC thread to just be a summary of what we are planning to do in the IC (This week, Timmy is going to stub his toe, then eat porridge!  He's then going to discover that Susan Silkytail has been talking about him, and this is going to make him blush!) but I would like to brainstorm some ways to make sure that major game events, particularly ones that are being built up to over time, are documented here regularly.  

I *really* don't want to give myself extra work, but one possibility would be for me or another admin to get a weekly update of major plans for each God coming up and then compile them so people know what is on people's minds.  

Someone else come up with a better idea that doesn't eat up more of my time, though :P   (Honestly, that wouldn't take up that much time... I'm happy to do it if people think it is a good idea) 

Okay, I may not respond for a while on the IC thread as I have a tendency to take a while writing my entries, but I've made the effort to read the IC last few pages and I plan to do these things.

1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)

2. Timmy will encounter Nix travvellers on their way up the Eternal Volcano to make negotiations with the Agni'Vohda. He'll join them for a while, having nowhere else to go.

3. The Nix will attempt to establish a peace and kinship between themselves and the Agni'Vohda, despite their past differences.

4. The Horned Knight will materialize into the world as he recognizes the Godbeast as a threat to the natural way of things. He will fight The Godbeast until one of them falls. If Ka'Voh is around when the Godbeast is defeated, The Horned Knight will brand him an abomination of nature and attack him, possibly causing a lot of trouble with the talks between Agni'Vohda and Nix.

5. Pruinus will join the fight against the Godbeast, and after that will leave to find Leaf if he hasn't appeared by then. She'll most likely wish to check that her modifications to his rules are okay.

6. The Primal Spirits will attempt to use the Fallen Sun in the middle of the fields (If it's still there) to create another Draconic race, but one that can help bridge the gap between the mortal races and Dragons. This race will be the Dragonborn, and will hoepfully form a bridge between the two groups of creatures.

I won't necessarily be doing things in that order or exactly as mentioned, but I've put this up so that if anything here isn't possible, someone else will point it out hopefully. And as Topheh said, maybe this makes things a little easier.

Topheh, I think the formal Admin Plan Update Compendium idea will be more work than its worth. Looking back over the few things people have had issues over, only Raven's creation of lying magic and my latest evil plot seem like they'd have made the list. I'm not sure if Raven had it planned at the beginning of that week, and mine was discussed in the OOC ahead of time anywho (although, perhaps too far ahead of time). In short, it seems unlikely to prevent these issues, while adding a lot of work to the admins.

That said, sharing our plans in the OOC thread makes sense. Perhaps we can have a tag to help people who have little time to find the relevant discussions? And maybe with a line underneath saying who we think might be interested. So if I thought I was doing something that either Pruinus would be interested in, or that James might object to, as well as Sa/Raven, I'd start the post of with the following:

*Plans*

James, Raven

Thoughts?

Anywho, moving on:
James, I was planning on having Seg snatch that sun, but your idea for it is far far superior to my own. That said, Seg's still right on top of it. Perhaps he can grab it, then Pruinus might get it from him later?

James & Raven, (and anyone else interested in Divine Magic), perhaps a more complex system of Divine Magic can be set up to satisfy everyone? I was thinking of something along the lines that Sa's power does the majority of the heavy lifting for generic divine spells (such as cure light wounds), with a specific god adding a trickle of power to customize the effect. For example, Cure Light Wounds would be 95% Sa, and 5%, say, Pruinus. Pruinus's power gives it the appropriate effects (leave the body cold, coats the ground nearby in frost, etc). It contrast, domain spells would come primarily from the associated god or power source. So, worship Pruinus, and a Cleric gets access to Pruinus' Icy Bolt of Cold Pointy Death. The power for that comes 95% from Pruinus, and 5% from Sa.

Thoughts?

Edited those IC posts as noted. You can find them here:

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

As noted, I tried to add damage to the godbeast while not require Topheh or Forgotten to edit their posts in turn.

James, some comments on your plans that intersect with my creations:

Apr 24, 2013 -- 7:08AM, Jamespies wrote:

2. Timmy will encounter Nix travvellers on their way up the Eternal Volcano to make negotiations with the Agni'Vohda. He'll join them for a while, having nowhere else to go.

3. The Nix will attempt to establish a peace and kinship between themselves and the Agni'Vohda, despite their past differences.

Just a reminder that the Agni'Vohda have become... particular... while in their self-imposed exile, and demand offerings if you want to talk to them.  Also, the proper place to speak to them is the... oh, I don't remember what its called, but its a glass and stone platform that extends out over the caldera of the Eternal Volcano itself.


4. The Horned Knight will materialize into the world as he recognizes the Godbeast as a threat to the natural way of things. He will fight The Godbeast until one of them falls. If Ka'Voh is around when the Godbeast is defeated, The Horned Knight will brand him an abomination of nature and attack him, possibly causing a lot of trouble with the talks between Agni'Vohda and Nix.

I don't see how this would offend the Agni'Vohda.  Ka'Vah was very, very unpleasant company the last time they interacted!

6. The Primal Spirits will attempt to use the Fallen Sun in the middle of the fields (If it's still there) to create another Draconic race, but one that can help bridge the gap between the mortal races and Dragons. This race will be the Dragonborn, and will hoepfully form a bridge between the two groups of creatures.

Oh good.  I wanted that orb to be used.  Dragonborn is pushing the original AP expenditure (which was explicitly for chromatic dragons), but... its fine by me.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 9:52AM, Thought wrote:

Topheh, I think the formal Admin Plan Update Compendium idea will be more work than its worth. Looking back over the few things people have had issues over, only Raven's creation of lying magic and my latest evil plot seem like they'd have made the list. I'm not sure if Raven had it planned at the beginning of that week, and mine was discussed in the OOC ahead of time anywho (although, perhaps too far ahead of time). In short, it seems unlikely to prevent these issues, while adding a lot of work to the admins.

Well, I'm glad someone is telling me to stop :P

Since people seemed onboard with the idea, I deleted my posts about the interactions with Zebus. Topheh, you's still actually fits. Do you want to delete it, or should I respond?

Just respond...

done and done. And we're humming along again (I hope).

Apr 24, 2013 -- 7:08AM, Jamespies wrote:

Okay, I may not respond for a while on the IC thread as I have a tendency to take a while writing my entries, but I've made the effort to read the IC last few pages and I plan to do these things.

1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)

I'm not opposed to it in principle, but reserve my final position for when I see the post in question, as "I want my worshippers to get their magic from me" feels like a meta game-y goal in the first place.

Pruinous gaining power from those worshipping her? That sounds pretty cool. (And in case it was under contention, Sa isn't doing anything with the worship).

Mortals siphoning power from Pruinus? This is where I hesitate. Again, it's fine in principle, but I want a strong, in-story reason for this, since it's not necessary to cast magic (they're already using the magic). I like Thought's suggestion of some from Prunius, some from Sa much better than simple substitution. 

I might suggest a combination of Toph and Thought's ideas, where Prunius spends AP to make herself a conduit to The Source for cold, creating Cold (Ice / whatever) Elemental Magic, and then, those who worship Prunius weave the Divine and Elemental Magicks together, whether knowingly or not.

Apr 24, 2013 -- 9:52AM, Thought wrote:

Looking back over the few things people have had issues over, only Raven's creation of lying magic and my latest evil plot seem like they'd have made the list. I'm not sure if Raven had it planned at the beginning of that week, and mine was discussed in the OOC ahead of time anywho (although, perhaps too far ahead of time). In short, it seems unlikely to prevent these issues, while adding a lot of work to the admins.

That said, sharing our plans in the OOC thread makes sense. Perhaps we can have a tag to help people who have little time to find the relevant discussions? And maybe with a line underneath saying who we think might be interested. So if I thought I was doing something that either Pruinus would be interested in, or that James might object to, as well as Sa/Raven, I'd start the post of with the following:

Eh? It was ff6shadow whom made the Deception (DECEPTION) Not-Magic, not me. But yes, I feel that might have ended less... absolutely had it been discussed in the OOC thread in more than a semantic sense.

Apr 23, 2013 -- 7:52PM, Thought wrote:

Though, I haven't been able to figure out how to draw Azgo into the conflict directly. Forgotten said that Azgo doesn't want the world destroyed, or ruled by TASOE, so that might be a leverage.

I just wanted to elaborate on this, given that we are on the subject of motivation.

If all the world powers are playing cards for creation, Azgo refuses to let any single entity aside from himself hold an overwhelming hand. The last thing he wants is to defeat all the Firstborn only to be crushed and left as second-best. So, if that means slipping a Firstborn an ace under the table, fine, gladly in fact. But when the golden opportunity presents itself, Azgo will not hesitate to knock another player out of th game. Overall, he plays to win and nothing less. He will keep promises when profitable and sometimes when they are not, but honor will not comprimise vengence.

Hope that makes sense.

Thought, a Thought for those orbs.

As each one is tied to a sun, perhaps it might be more interesting if each orb was 'controllable' by the owner of that particular sun, as opposed to an all or nothing proposition? 

Apr 24, 2013 -- 4:18PM, Raven-of-Dreams wrote:

Apr 24, 2013 -- 7:08AM, Jamespies wrote:

Okay, I may not respond for a while on the IC thread as I have a tendency to take a while writing my entries, but I've made the effort to read the IC last few pages and I plan to do these things.

1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)

I'm not opposed to it in principle, but reserve my final position for when I see the post in question, as "I want my worshippers to get their magic from me" feels like a meta game-y goal in the first place.

Pruinous gaining power from those worshipping her? That sounds pretty cool. (And in case it was under contention, Sa isn't doing anything with the worship).

Mortals siphoning power from Pruinus? This is where I hesitate. Again, it's fine in principle, but I want a strong, in-story reason for this, since it's not necessary to cast magic (they're already using the magic). I like Thought's suggestion of some from Prunius, some from Sa much better than simple substitution. 

I might suggest a combination of Toph and Thought's ideas, where Prunius spends AP to make herself a conduit to The Source for cold, creating Cold (Ice / whatever) Elemental Magic, and then, those who worship Prunius weave the Divine and Elemental Magicks together, whether knowingly or not.

In truth the fact is that I am playing this game from a world-building point of view, specifically to be used in an RP setting. Some people are playing just for the fun, and that is of course fine. Some are playing from the point of view that this work could be adapted into any game or RP with the right effort. Of course, fine. I'm personally playing from the point that this can easily be adapted to a D&D 4E Campaign, and with a little work can be used to run in other games.

I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source. Sure, Primal Magic all comes from the primal spirits, but they're billions and are in a state of neutrality, as long as the balance of nature isn't upset too much. I have myself been mulling over the idea of creating Cyromancy specifically for Divinists of Pruinus, I'm not sure how I want to do that yet but it is on my agenda. As I've stated before, my draw into this game was to create a RP Setting which people can actually use and I'm trying to create a world with plenty of options, and I've always looked at my actions from a gameplay point of view of what it might meant for players. I'm not trying to gain AP from this, just trying to give a more diverse amount of options to people who wish to play in this setting, which in truth is a meta-game goal but I hope one that has all the right reasons.

However, If you're not happy with me doing these things, I'll not do them. Simple as that.

On a related topic, do you have any ideas or thoughts on how these various types of magic may fit into a game mechanically? The idea of using Mana to cast spells doesn't really fit into the AEDU formula that 4E distributes its powers in. Are you interested in discussing mechanics on how this might play out in a game?

James, what were your thoughts on the split divine magic proposal?

On a side note, divine power coming from the respective gods is old hat. It's been done before. A lot. If nothing else, Raven's system is new and fresh.

Additionally, when considering how magic fits into a D&D setting, I'd recommend considering Sanderson's Second Law, as well as the Donkey Law.

Sanderson's Second Law is that a magic systems limitations are more interesting than its abilities. I'd argue that its more interesting to limit divine magic to primarily coming from a single god than to have it open to all gods. And I'd argue that it is more interesting still to limit divine magic as sometimes coming from Sa, sometimes not, and sometimes in part. The more limits me have, the deeper the background, the richer the world.

The Donkey law (also called Taylor's First Law) is simple: If it's cheaper to do something by magic than to have the donkey do it, then you've just ruined your medieval economy.


Topheh, that could work well, but then TASOE would really want to steal that Volcano's sun, too. Are you okay with that? You can always return it later.

Apr 25, 2013 -- 5:23AM, Jamespies wrote:

I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source. 

Unless I'm very much mistaken, this is how magic of *all* sorts was handled in the Forgotten Realms. (pre spellplague, anyway). When Mystra (the Midnight incarnation) was first feuding with Cyric, she denied his clerics the ability to cast magic. Since Mystra was god of Magic, there was nothing Cyric or his clerics could do.

Did divine characters in the forgotten realms have issues because their powers came from Mystra instead of their respective gods?

Apr 25, 2013 -- 5:23AM, Jamespies wrote:

On a related topic, do you have any ideas or thoughts on how these various types of magic may fit into a game mechanically? The idea of using Mana to cast spells doesn't really fit into the AEDU formula that 4E distributes its powers in. Are you interested in discussing mechanics on how this might play out in a game?

Who says we're building for 4th edition? Settings should be, ideally, edition neutral.

I'm pretty sure that I touched on this earlier (though it would have been months ago), but the idea was 1st through 4th level spells (3.X Vancian Style spell levels) magic could be used frequently (N / encounter or the like), while 5-9th level spells were nearly impossible to cast.

Mechanically, it would mean you get X Spell levels to cast from per encounter, and you can only cast Y spell levels in a single casting (or else Bad Stuff Happens). 

It works even better for 4th edition - encounter spells remain as is (perhaps you get an extra use of them in each encounter), while daily spells could only be spent with an action point (but you could cast as many daily spells as you had action points).

I think that a variaiton of the Psionic power source in 4e with its fixed pool of points that you could devote to the amplification of small at-will spells is probably the simplest to modify for a mana-based system.

For 4th E, I could see mana converting nicely. Lets say that every Daily Power costs 10 mana, every encounte costs 5, and ever at will 1. Let's say a character has 16 Mana (ability to cast one of each). Use an at-will power, spend 1 mana, but it's such a minor expenditure that you regain the mana at the start of your next turn. As long as you have the movements necessary, you could spend up to 16 at-will spells in a single turn (not that any character could ever actually do that). In contrast, lets say you want to use encounter powers. You can use 3 an encounter, and they'll only regenerate at the end of the counter. Want to use that daily power in the same encounter? Sorry, you're too tired from all those encounter powers (essentially, you are converting that one daily power slot into two encounter powers). Want to use a daily power in the next encounter? Well, use 10 mana, and such an intense exertion leaves you unable to regain it until you take an extended rest. You're still left with 6 mana for future encounters.

Topheh

Hahahahahaha...

(wipes tear from eyes)

I found this hilarious:

Apr 22, 2013 -- 5:20PM, Topheh wrote:

Azgo, tired from his extended journey, returns to it to brood and recover.

Did Azgo suddenly lose his parents, become a billionare, and is now fighting crime in Gothom?

Brooding.... what a great word.

:D  Is it an inaccurate assessment of Azgo's actions?  All good villians brood!

Technically he's a god, so still just a little sub-par to batman!

My apologies.  I meant Mega-Brood.

Apr 25, 2013 -- 3:34PM, Raven-of-Dreams wrote:

Apr 25, 2013 -- 5:23AM, Jamespies wrote:

I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source. 

Unless I'm very much mistaken, this is how magic of *all* sorts was handled in the Forgotten Realms. (pre spellplague, anyway). When Mystra (the Midnight incarnation) was first feuding with Cyric, she denied his clerics the ability to cast magic. Since Mystra was god of Magic, there was nothing Cyric or his clerics could do.

Did divine characters in the forgotten realms have issues because their powers came from Mystra instead of their respective gods?

Ah well I'm not going to lie and say I'm familar with D&D settings, I am just reading the Forgotten Realms guides now. I still prefer the idea of having the option to have your power from a deity of your choosing, but others opinions outnumber mine so I shall say no more about it.

I'm not saying this setting should be for 4E (Although I may have worded it as such, my apologies) but I was asking what kind of system you have in mind for mana and casting magic.

Apr 26, 2013 -- 7:57AM, Jamespies wrote:

... I still prefer the idea of having the option to have your power from a deity of your choosing...

Ooo. I know you didn't mean it this way, but it would be interesting if a cleric of, say, Leaf could choose to draw power from Zebus instead, so as to weaken one god (even if only a little) while leaving their preferred deity strong. Might have to become part of an evil plan, eventually.

EDIT: Also, gee, I really hope nothing untoward to those stars that might cause all those hot balls of magma to come crashing back down to earth.

<.<
>.>

I've been reading through the entire IC story and I falling in love with this LoC all over again. I'm still at around Page 30, but will most likely have a response up on Saturday or Sunday. I'm still around, Pruinus doesn't need any possessing yet.

Thought:

Great minds?

James:

Sounds good! 

James, in case you miss it: my god just created Spring, along the same lines as your winter. And the primal spirits are trying to get Pruinus to join my god and Agni.

Topheh, Zebus, personally I think it would be cool if you guys eventually made seasons as well. Presumably Summer for Agni and Fall for Zebus.

Summer is the default.  Leaf said that everything was flammable.


But okay!  I'll make a real season. 

Hey guys.

Sorry about this but it does look like I am going to drop out of this game after all.

Truth is, I'm terrible for procastination and I probably shouldn't have joined this game in the first place XD

Lately, it's been harder for me to keep track of events and I've been actively putting off more important things just to catch up with the LoC and I can't allow myself to do that anymore.

But enough of my lifestory XD

I'll still keep popping in with progress on my Agni (Which hasn't been worked in since I posted the latest version, because I've been reading the IC in my spare time :L) and I'd still love to do illustrations for other gods if you'll allow me.

I'd prefer Pruinus wasn't mindcontrolled by TASOE, but I have no probelms with her becoming a Exarch/Hero/Ally for someone else to use. Same goes for Timmy, whose fanbase far outnumbers Pruinus anyway.

Anyway, have fun with game and try not to fight too much over who gets to keep Timmy.

Well you are always welcome back James! Keep on popping in, and we'll still be here!

As for the drawings, keep on drawing!

I think this means that... Azgo gets Timmy.


This is going to get dark.


In all seriousness, though, sorry to see you go, James.  As Joran said, pop on in anytime! 

So... speaking of unmolested...

What if i killed you?

...

In all seriousness, would you mind if I killed pruinus farther down the road so as to make Azgo's threat much more credible? Of course, that would make appearing later difficult, and you may not wish to see that sort of story unfold. I am fine with whatever you decide.

I'm sorry to hear that, James. Pruinus was one of my favorites, and you were a great player. I hope scheduling changes soon so you can come back. And don't worry, Pruinus is a good guy. I don't mind control good guys

Speaking of which, now that Shadow returned and free gods from my evil power, I thought it would be a good time to draw public opinion. I had planned on taking control of Umbra again, and other players have urged me to take control of Altruis again, but I was planning on leaving Onus where he was. Crimson had wanted me to do something with his character, but I just am blanking on ideas. However, before I do any of this, are there objections, encouragements, or general thoughts on the matter?

I've left so its not upto me to dictate what you can do with Pruinus. I just didn't like the idea of mind control to make her do evil things. Otherwise, anything can happen with her.

Raven and Forgotten:

I vote we attack the Leviathan with our dragons. 

Speaking of which, Raven, I haven't forgotten that the Azure dragon's are attacking the Behemoth's stomach (I feel a little like playing StarTropics now, for some reason, or BoF II). I just haven't figured out a good way or time to respond, but it's coming.

EDIT: Also, personally, I'd say that Pruinus is too awesome to die.

Has Thought actually made dragons from the leviathan's sun?

Also, there's also the whole "supressing 1 AP of super sun explosion harm" angle to consider. 

He hasn't...

and...

Oh yeah... that... 

I had suggested to Topheh, but not sure it made the rounds, that I could set one of those sun-linked "bombs" (the ones that will hopefully actually be used for nourishes). So, the Leviathan lets out the blast, angry survivor dragons rip it apart, creating new dragons (Dragonborn?) in the process, get the sun, use it to heal their fallen, and bind the unkillable leviathan to serve as a food source for all time. Or something like that.

Thoughts?

I'll let forgotten give a final yes/no to this, as his dragons are the ones that are going to be blown to bits... but this could work.  Not sure about the food source part, though...

I think there was a misunderstanding on us there, Pen. I meant Seg the Liar doesn't look like much of of a liar.  But Father Thorn definitly looks like a Father of Thorns. No insult intended on that

Alright Pen, two thoughts.

First, how do you feel about the snow elves taking a blow and losing one of their cities? I am begining to think about Azgo learning of their worship of them only to be disgusted by their lack of devotion when he sends commands and visions. Basically something cataclysmic.

And second, Azgo will be needing a smith soon. I was thinking about just creating an exarch, but that seems a little cheap in a cooperative game. What if you created a proud (race goes here) smith, accomplish any ends you might want to (especially against me), and then off him for me to pick up and use in the Abyss? That seems much more fleshed out to me.

But as always, the choice remains with you.

Can we get a rollcall on which sun is where? With thought moving them all about, I'm less than certain which came from which, and which suns have yet to birth dragons (or where those suns might be)

Sure!

Suns:

Godcrater:  Destroyed, or at least deconstituted.  Might pose a problem if we ever have a subplot about getting them all back together.  This one created Ebon/Black dragons before it went boom.
Eternal Volcano:  Still there, but manipulated by the Behemoth to produce on of the Nourish/Harm bombs.  Made Red dragons
Beacon:  Inside the Behemoth, along with the Azure dragons that it made.
The North:  Still there, still shining, not affected so far.  Made white dragons.
Sil Arkosh:  Taken by the Leviathan.  Made Orange dragons
Western Badlands:  Currently floating above a mysterious tower and surrounded by no less than four players.  Hasn't produced any dragons (although Shadow has expressed interest)
The Ocean:   Swallowed by the Leviathan, still inside the beast, still holding the explosive energy from when Agni tried to nuke the world.  Hasn't made any dragons.  Likely about to appear during the battle with the Dragon Moot.

Three small notes:

Umbra snuck away a shard of the sGsosdscsrsastsesrs sun, perfect for trying to restore it (I think the rest of the sun's essence went into Scorch/Eclipse Aflame). Perhaps a subplot to free poor old Scorch AND restore the sun? Anywho, this fragment is currently in the Zizu.

The Badlands sun has also been modified to produce a difficult-to-penetrate stormwall around the main continent.

James had the fun idea of one of the orbs producing dragonborn. That still seems fun to me. Hopefully whoever makes one of the two remaining dragons thinks so, too.

Hey people, sorry I haven't poste as much as I normally do. Busy week... and now computer problems.

Anyways, two things:

Topheh: These "refugees" just can't catch a break, can they? Persecution, flight through hostile lands, month at sea with only insects and fish to eat, and now, just when they reach land, a gigantic worm-beast is going to kill them all. Rough times.

Thought: I just wanted to clarify something, given your post about the cavern. Azgo found the old workshop and stole away the forge to the Abyss. Then he journeyed to the top of the mountain to wonder why everything was dark... again (i am positive our creation's light sources are clap-on, clap-off). Then he left the world for the Abyss, specifically the first layer of the abyss which is a darkness-filled cavern of ice to rebuild the forge. He is not currently in the world, and Thereus' cavern is not coated in ice. Sorry about that.

Oh, and Pen: Previous questions?

Actually, I put it on the FAR side of the continent for a reason.  I'm not *that* mean

May 1, 2013 -- 8:36PM, TheForgottenCommand wrote:

Alright Pen, two thoughts.

First, how do you feel about the snow elves taking a blow and losing one of their cities? I am begining to think about Azgo learning of their worship of them only to be disgusted by their lack of devotion when he sends commands and visions. Basically something cataclysmic.

And second, Azgo will be needing a smith soon. I was thinking about just creating an exarch, but that seems a little cheap in a cooperative game. What if you created a proud (race goes here) smith, accomplish any ends you might want to (especially against me), and then off him for me to pick up and use in the Abyss? That seems much more fleshed out to me.

But as always, the choice remains with you.

Hey Forgotten, sorry, I had missed these questions (I blame Canada, because I can).

Sure, destroy a city or two. Although, they are devout to the forms of Azgoian religion, so it would depend on how contrary to their true religion those commands and visions would be.

As for a smith, Thought and Joran have set trends. Why not make Thraeus your smith exarch? Might irk Agni a little, too

EDIT: Wait a minute... smiths have hammers. Urk the Orc has a divine hammer. He could count as a smith, I suspect. A very bad, very violent smith.

Hey guys! Its good to be back, so, what have you been up-

(Forgotten checks the IC)

AAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!! All hands on deck! Man your battlestations; the Inevitable is off the port bow! This is NOT a drill! I repeat: This is NOT a drill! Code Ultra-Uber-Impossibly red-RED!

Three days?! Three?! What happenned? Nobody has anything to say?

To Pen: I was thinking about that, but Azgo is... less than inclined towards mental domination Thought style. And Joran asked Shadow before taking Marcus, so snatching Thereus leaves me a little uncomfortable.

Well, I've been... waiting.  For you, for Thought, for... someone else

Also busy.  Stupid work.   

In the hopes of spurring discussion and such that we go on towards a blaze of glory rather than our current dying blaze...

Shall we talk end-game? 

*sigh*

Yeah, I think we probably should.  Posts are starting to taper off and it would be better to end strong than weak. 

Hmm....

Well, I had assumed that someone else was going to start talking, but... I can start.

We've ended LoCs in a few ways in the past.  

Way 1 is to just let things taper off and then call it done when no one is posting, but not have any particular effort put into it.  I... don't really like this option... the last LoC ended this way.

Way 2 is to end in such a way that we create a number of interesting hooks for the DMs to use as launching-off points for campaigns, but doesn't have a particularly climactic ending.  For instance... loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/The_World_Tod....  AR ended with the Gods leaving, but no real dramatic climax.

Way 3 is to end with some sort of dramatic, climactic event that is resolved right in the nick of time without doing lasting damage to the entire world.  For example, WorldWarp ended with the awakening of one of the Great Monsters and the fight of Gods and mortals to defeat it (which they did).  While the Triskelion was devastated, the rest of the world was left relatively untouched.

Way 4 is to end in a dramatic, climactic event that dramatically reshapes the world and remains either unresolved or resolved in such a way that the implications of its resolution are vast and undescribed.  For instance, the end of LightVoid saw war break out on nearly every planet left in existence, and at the end of the game, saw the leader of the bad guys defeated, but his armies still rampaging across many of the other worlds.  

And of course, these can be combined.

My thoughts:

Given the way this LoC has played out, Way 4 seems the most appropriate ending.  Some of you know my desire to cause a portion of this world to break off into its own plane, Loom-style, and go careening through the metaverse, slowly becoming Culthet from WorldWarp.  Honestly, what I think should happen is a final battle between the 'Good' Gods and TASOE.  Thoughts from others?   
 

Here's what I'm considering / would like to see (This would fall under way 3, I believe) :

Dragons defeat the other two godbeasts -- The Orange dragons would seek out their kin to the north (guided by Agni's new exarch, perhaps), rally with the Whites, and take out the Zizu. Meanwhile, the Azures from the inside and dragons spawned from the stone-tower sun in the west (where all the gods are around) defeat the Behemoth / godmountain. (Potential plot thing: since the dragon orbs have been spawning from death, perhaps Zebus makes the stone tower into a conduit for the great dark beyond, and all that death energy causes the orb to birth forth the final dragons.

The Crystal Heart is either rendered moot, rules lawyer'd, or retconned on account of the godbeasts being defeated by mortals (dragons spawned from death) and not gods.

Finally, Cantorix, Lucan, and Red Dragonette finish binding the mootstone to all 6 of the dragon broods. In response, the 7th sun, fueled by the death of the leviathan (which birthed dragonspawn) and all the dragons fighting it, creates Dragonborn, servitor race to dragons, and a symbol of the dragon's unity (since dragonborn have all colors).

Sa reveals the existence of TASOE, and then leaves.

The other (non-Azgo) gods resolve the buisness with TASOE, and then get into an end-game state themselves.

Meanwhile, Azgo is lurking in the abyss, biding his time.


Thoughts?

PS: (There is, perhaps, an interesting parallel between Itja-Rek and TASOE).

I like most of that... honestly, a big theme of this iteration has been that the Gods generally muck things up... okay, rephrase... AGNI usually mucks things up while the mortals find themselves perfectly capable of handling themselves.

My thought is that the Gods set about finding the heart and destroying it, so they're not completely useless, but not actually saving the world from the monsters, either.  

The TASOE to Itja-Rek connection is highly intriguing.  It would require some... setup.

Thought:  Which suns have been corrupted, where are the red orbs, and... the Leviathan has two suns in it, yes? 

So... as... we've had one post this week, we're gonna just pretend that this week is EXTRA long and go for two weeks before the next Reset.

Hopefully Thought and Forgotten will return full-time to us soon! 

Sorry, I blame my mother in law. She's here for the holiday. There's been a lot less catching up at home than I thought, and a lot more driving aimlessly "sightseeing" than I thought there would be. At present, three days more, and another day is scheduled for tomorrow.

Regarding the godbeasts, I was thinking about possibily returning to my original idea for TASOE (a god that's a dimension). The beasties aren't dead, but rather eventually get expelled from the world and form the "body" of that dimension. The heart can be largely ignored (I liked the idea of the artificat, but how things have turned out are more interesting, and it was also meant to be at the "heart" of a story arc for a player no longer active).

I would like to see the conflict between Azgo and the firsts get a little bit of resolution. As it is, Azgo's been "defeated" for a while, but needs to have a come back.

As for Ita-Rek, that would be a fascinating connection.

Anywho, I'll try to post more thoroughly (and actually in the IC tread) as soon as I can. Hopefully tomorrow at lunch.

Just drive on up here, we'll introduce our mothers-in-law and they'll spend time bragging about their children and we can sneak off to do 'important' things

I'M BACK!!!!

I'M BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN!!

(Rockout session)

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And i cast Level 29 Daily "Ressurect Interest"!

Excellent.

Unfortunately, my boss decided on monday that I needed to write a paper for him by... tomorrow, so my time has been completely taken from me.  I'll try and get something short up later today, but probably no major posts for me until saturday or sunday. 

It seems a few of us have a resist 15 to the Enthusiastic damage type.

I'm still waiting for Toph to post the follow-up to the Dwarves me mentioned working on this past monday...

Raven, good to see you!

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Or your type font.

While you are here, what is the satus of your... following? Do you have one? WHat are they like, and how do the majority of people know/worship Sa?

I would like to know before implimenting some ideas with offical gods of High Ithol.

May 16, 2013 -- 8:25PM, TheForgottenCommand wrote:

Raven, good to see you!

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Or your type font.

While you are here, what is the satus of your... following? Do you have one? WHat are they like, and how do the majority of people know/worship Sa?

I would like to know before implimenting some ideas with offical gods of High Ithol.

Hehe, I've been stopping by every day. (Just not posting, obviously)

Mortals don't worship Sa directly, and, I believe, the only mortals who even know of Sa are the Skyfolk above the crown. I think that some would worship "the source of magic", but they'd not know if that was a god, some manifestation of fantasy physics, or as part of erroneously worshipping some other god ("Thank Azgo for our ability to cast arcane spells!" ).

On the other hand, Sa's not really tried to hide its presence, either. I'm imagining a folksy sort of "pagan" god, who's known about, but not actively worshipped.

Oh, it'll be good... I just need to get the time to write it. :D

In other news, where in the world has Thought gone?  I think we're all waiting for him to post for his characters... 

You are? Shoot. For some reason, I thought I was waiting on you. I'll definitely have something up tomorrow.

Perhaps there is a connection between a lack of posting and people waiting for each other with little to communication on what to post.

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We should work on that.

In other news, does anyone want to talk about Timmy? Where to go, what to do and all that jazz? Anyone have anything in particular they would like to see happen?

There.  Finally.

Forgotten, I've moved the dwarves along.  We can still go with our original plan if we collapse the tunnel :D


I do want Timmy to request the aid of the Agni'Vohda at some point... I have some stuff I want to write for them still to set up how they work more fully.

Also, Forgotten.  Those western continents... I've put a beast and a biome on them... can I put a sentient race?  Don't want to trample on your plans too much.


 

Please do.

As for the dwarves... why not?

Okay.  I have two in mind that I'll put there in the next two weeks.  One doesn't speak Common (but their language has already been spoken!)

If you're willing to share, what are your overall plans for that part of the world?  Want some help? 

Huh, as far as I can tell, it's just you, Topheh, who is waiting on a response from me (artun to agni). Anyone else?

I'll tell you my plans tomorrow. Late night at the moment. And... YES. I would LOVE some help with shaping the western continent.

@Pen: Was that enough disillusionment?

And Are you still hanging around here, James? Just want to know if you are here.

Excellent!  I'll get right on that.