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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 4:53PM
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Whether or not anybody has souls is the kind of fluff that should stick to setting books and stay out of the core mechanics.
Fixed that for you.
Agreed. Setting thing. But I've never heard of that.
It's been SOP in my games for about a decade.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 9:22PM
#42
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Well, all race features are really just setting fluff. As such I don't mind if there are some very distinguishing features between races.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 10:56PM
#43
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My take is, players can't play anything that doesn't have a soul. Maybe in special situations, but every default player race should have a soul. If they wanna make elves an NPC race, then go ahead and take away their souls.
"So shall it be! Dear-bought those songs shall be be accounted, and yet shall be well-bought. For the price could be no other. Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Eä, and evil yet be good to have been."
- Manwë, High King of the Valar
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 4:43AM
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Gary is dead... I think his opinion is completly irrelevant now
So you would say Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Bach, Elvis Presley, and Miles Davis are irrelevant?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 5:06AM
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Gary is dead... I think his opinion is completly irrelevant now
So you would say Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Bach, Elvis Presley, and Miles Davis are irrelevant?
Well, maybe just their opinions.
Especially since they can't give them, what with being dead and all (well, except for Elvis- he's still alive)
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."- John Stuart Mill
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 5:21AM
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Gary is dead... I think his opinion is completly irrelevant now
So you would say Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Bach, Elvis Presley, and Miles Davis are irrelevant?
Well, maybe just their opinions.
You mean therorerical approaches to music or D&D, or, both?
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 7:46AM
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Gary is dead... I think his opinion is completly irrelevant now
So you would say Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Bach, Elvis Presley, and Miles Davis are irrelevant?
Well, maybe just their opinions.
You mean therorerical approaches to music or D&D, or, both?
Neither and none.
I was pointing out the error of saying those people are irrelevant when all that was said in the first post was that an opinion was irrelevant, not the actual person, per se.
At any rate, any reasonable, intelligent person should clearly see the importance and relevance of works, even if the author is deceased.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."- John Stuart Mill
Old Man of the House of Trolls
Resident Hater
God of Anger and Hatred.
Mini Hate Machine
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 9:54AM
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I suppose no one will care that Gary Gygax's game design career did not end with D&D, and his opinions on some things did, in fact, change.
Both Dangerous Journeys and Legendary Adventures were heavily skill based. Legendary adventures did not use a class system.
Given that these games are such a radical departure in design from D&D, I would say that it is fair to surmise that Gary's opinion on whether elves have souls or not might have changed over time, as well. Unless someone asks him and manages to get an answer, we'll never know.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 12:18PM
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Gary is dead... I think his opinion is completly irrelevant now
So you would say Mozart, Jimi Hendrix, Marvin Gaye, Bach, Elvis Presley, and Miles Davis are irrelevant?
Starting with 3e it is policy to bash all previous editions of the game as "broken" and "beyond repair". WotC has activly encoutraged their fanbase to do this with their constant mantra of how bad all previous editions were (Even if they were published 3 months prior). The wholesale rejection of the past even if it was recent is kind of a side effect of what they started.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 1:22PM
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My take is, players can't play anything that doesn't have a soul. Maybe in special situations, but every default player race should have a soul. If they wanna make elves an NPC race, then go ahead and take away their souls.
What difference does that make? So you can't be brought back from the dead, big whoop.
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