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4 months ago ::
Jan 18, 2013 - 4:48PM
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Ok time to go right down to basics
To start with like bonuses do not stack so if you have a +3 full plate and the +3 is armor not an enchantment then you would have a +3 full plate that would give you the same as a full plate that is not magical so any magical enchanments can not be armor
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The next part is what is added to make up your AC the andswer is this
Base 10
Ability score ( dex wis con some times all)
AR if you are wearing any
Deflection like from rings of protection
Natural like from an amulet or if yo have hard skil
Shields
Insight from your god
Dodge
Size
and finally enchantments that come from armors and shield ( these dodge and natural are the ONLY ones that stack together for your AC) because they say t hey add to an existing effect not that they increase it.
because if you have a chain shirt that is a 4 AR and you get a +5 enchantment on it you have increased your AC from what you are saying Steve. So if that is gthe case why in the world would you ever put an enchanment on a low level armor that has a higher AR then your enchantment it would be a pointless act.
 
Did you even read my previous post where I liked the SRD so it could tell you want an Enhancment bonus means/does? I am also still wondering why you think you are "helping me out" when is should be pretty obvious you are the one here who needs help.
Now the first part you seem to have some kind of misconception. A suit of +3 Fullplate will give a character a +11 armor bonus to AC. That is the basic +8 from the full plate which is ENHANCED +3 to produce a final benefit of +11. The enhancement bonus is part of the armor and adds directly to it.
I can easily admit that the stuff you have that I put in the sblock is right and I even think you hit all the things that can go into your AC.
You do realize that when you "add to an effect" you "increase the effect"? When you add an enhancment bonus to armor or shield you increase the effect of the armor or shield you are adding it to. You even say it so I hope there is some kind of language barrier to explain why you can not understand it.
If you have a Chain Mail Shirt (+4 armor) and give it a +5 enhancement you increase that +4 armor bonus to +9 (+4+5). I have NEVER said anything to suggest that when wearing a +5 chain shirt you would only get a +5 armor bonus unless for some reason you can not read English.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 3:15AM
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It's pretty simple. As per SRD/PHB StackingIn most cases, modifiers to a given check or roll stack (combine for a cumulative effect) if they come from different sources and have different types (or no type at all), but do not stack if they have the same type or come from the same source (such as the same spell cast twice in succession). If the modifiers to a particular roll do not stack, only the best bonus and worst penalty applies. Dodge bonuses and circumstance bonuses however, do stack with one another unless otherwise specified. Armor Bonus:An armor bonus applies to Armor Class and is granted by armor or by a spell or magical effect that mimics armor. Armor bonuses stack with all other bonuses to Armor Class (even with natural armor bonuses) except other armor bonuses. An armor bonus doesn't apply against touch attacks, except for armor bonuses granted by force effects (such as the mage armor spell) which apply againstincorporeal touch attacks, such as that of a shadow. Full plate gives you 8 Armor Class to AC Bracers of armor give you from 1 to 8 Armor Class to AC If I am not horribly mistaken Bracers of Armor does NOT stack with Full plate since they both provide ARMOR bonus. SRD again: In general, magic armor protects the wearer to a greater extent than nonmagical armor. Magic armor bonuses are enhancement bonuses, never rise above +5, and stack with regular armor bonuses (and with shield and magic shield enhancement bonuses)
By this rules you can enchant Bracers of Armor by an additional +5, giving a total of 13 AC. I think you can go as far as giving them special armor properties, such as fortification, but I am not 100% sure about this.
Enhancement BonusAn enhancement bonus represents an increase in the sturdiness and/or effectiveness of armor or natural armor, or the effectiveness of a weapon, or a general bonus to an ability score. Multiple enhancement bonuses on the same object (in the case of armor and weapons), creature (in the case of natural armor), or ability score do not stack. Only the highest enhancement bonus applies. Since enhancement bonuses to armor or natural armor effectively increase the armor or natural armor's bonus to AC, they don't apply against touch attacks.
Some of you suggested that armor gives only armor bonus and the +5 enchancement is a separate bonus. Enhancement bonus improves the existing Armor Class/Shield bonus. Full plate +5 armor won't give 8 Armor class and 5 enchancement, it will give 13 AC.
For example, If you have a full plate +5 and a tower shield +5 you will have a total of 32 AC. If we concider that a full plate +5 gives 8 Armor class and 5 enchancement you will have 27 AC.
Several of you are right but you put the facts in different ways you all fail to understand. @Steven: It does not matter if English is your native language. I may speak it with an accent, I may make grammar mistakes (most of them come from the fact that I type too fast) but I do a decent job at it. If you are so proud with your English - good for you. Just so you know: apart from Bulgarian (my native language) I can also speak and read and write freely in English, German and Russian. Also I can speak and read Spannish. I have Cambridge's Certificate in Advanced English and Sprachdiplom. We (the guys who learned English at school, non natives) have the courtesy of speaking and writing in your language and you try to make fun of us. Try learning Bulgarian, I will laugh all my heart's content while reading your sentences.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 4:27AM
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I think your reading a little too far into his comment Nistra. Nowhere did Steven0 say anything about people needing to speak English, nor did he say anything about non native speakers of the language in any derogatory fashion. He simply remarked on someone's apparent inability to comprehend his stance on the matter when he probably felt that (as I know I do) it was not only plainly explained, but backed by proof via the link to the SRD which you yourself just quoted. As a second point I would like to make, he said "...unless for some reason you can not read English", this obviously precludes not only you but anyone capable of understanding the written form of English, and since that is the language we are all so far communicating in, was clearly meant as a sarcastic remark on the persons oversight of his point and probably also towards their attitude that he was in the wrong when he clearly wasn't. No one thinks that mastery of English is a necessity to post here, and as a matter of fact in the general section of the boards a native Spanish speaker posts frequently in fairly broken/fragmented English, and the most complaint you'll find about him is that he tends to argue his case even when presented with solid proof he is wrong on a topic (though he seems to have calmed that down a bit as of late).
So in summation, no one thinks English is a must, it just happens to be the most common language on the board, and no one will get any measure of disrespect for it not being their native language, or for even being one they are particularly good at. All anyone asks is that if you want to prove a point to back it up with facts, and that manners be applied to debate (which sometimes people can easily slip on when frustrated).
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 6:29AM
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Ok I guess I did not make it clear but there was a good write up from someone. But I will try to clear up my mistakes
First off armor bonuses do not stack this is correct like if you have bracers of armor and then put on full plate the full plate would over lap the bracers and give you the full plate AC and the bracer AC is not effective any more
No from what the right up is saying from steve what I got from it was that a +3 full plate which dose have a total ac of 8 and an enchantment of 3 for a total of 11
Now if you call the enchantment a bonus to the AC then I guess you can call it armor but if you say it is armor to the armor which is the way I read steves post it would not stack. because they are both armor so the +3 would be taken away and you would just get the 8 from the AC of the full plate. I think all this is the way ppl look at the words and what they are saying
Just so long we agree that there are several ways to get you AC to stupid levels and the like in a short period of time. Now the bracers of armor getting enchantments in one word NO because I think to mage the amror rating for the bracers you need to use the same spells to make the enchantment to it but this is an interesting idea and I think it might be something to look into and see what your DM says I now my DM being a crazy as he is will say no because of something stupid. But that is for another time
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 8:38AM
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So in summation, no one thinks English is a must...
It used to be in the CoC that English was the official language of the boards, and that posting in other languages was a moddable/bannable offense. It appears that WotC removed thst section, though.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 19, 2013 - 10:16AM
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An enhancement bonus to armor enhances the ARMOR but does NOT do anything for other things. A suit of +3 full plate has its non-magical armor bonus enhanced +3 point for a total of +11. The +3 on that suit of armor does NOTHING to anything else. It simply improves the armor and then that improved armor improves your AC.
If you are wearing +2 padded armor and then recieve the Mage Armor spell that +2 enhancment does not "go looking" for some other Armor value to improve. It already has its job and that is improving the Armor bonus provided by the suit it is actually enhancing. Now in this cast the Mage Armor's +4 armor bonus will superceed the +2 padded armor's +3 armor bonus which means the actual suit of armor, along with its enhancment, aren't all that useful here.
Bracers of Armor provide an armor bonus to AC. They are not "armor" in the traditional sense so they can not be enhanced like you may think they can be although they actually could be improved. In many ways Bracers of Armor are just like an Amulet of Natural Armor with both providing an Enhancment bonus to a certain type of defense. With the Amulet it will boost a creature's natural AC by the listed amount (it still remains a "natural armor" boost to AC) and but many PC species have 0 natural armor. By themselves Bracers of Armor actually provide NO bonus at all although it is typed as an "armor" bonus; The +X you see for Bracers are all enhancement just like you would see on "real" armor except that they start with nothing but, as an exception, can exceed the normal +5 maximum.
If you look at the prices for Bracers of Armor and compare them to the how much it would cost to add the same +X to armor you should notice that they are identical. Because of this some DMs will allow armor abilities to be added through Bracers of Armor but you need to pay careful note of stacking rules along with pricing guidelines.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 2:44AM
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Wow ... I feel the need to apologize for this. I didn't expect my question to start such an argument ... but I hope that it is finally settled.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 7:34AM
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I didn't expect my question to start such an argument ... but I hope that it is finally settled.
This isn't an argument, it's only four pages long. 
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 11:02AM
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I didn't expect my question to start such an argument ... but I hope that it is finally settled.
This isn't an argument, it's only four pages long.
Four pages? I still have it all on one as I'm typing this reply but then I like seeing the thread. It hasn't devolved into an "O ma, got a be right" thread although I was worried.
I'm not sure there was much "arguement" but more of an "enlightenment" about how things work. I believe I answered TorianT's question with my first post (#3) and MANY of the posts since then are just showing you why that is. If there is any arguement it is when people are saying I said things I never did say; I don't think anyone likes it when that happens to them.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 20, 2013 - 11:13AM
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I have my post count/page set at 40, so it's still just one page for me. That said, I think Slagger was referring to threads over in PE Gen that hit double digits even for me.
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