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4 months ago  ::  Jan 24, 2013 - 5:13PM #271
Ed_Warlord
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 5:06PM, Qmark wrote:

Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:35PM, Steely_Dan wrote:

Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:30PM, erleni wrote:

Yes. Maybe you don't like it but it's true


No, nothing to do with liking it, fighters are not inherently supernatural, deal with it.


But, there's no real reason to forbid players from ever choosing to be.


I think the 4e description of the martial source summed it up nicely.  Martial characters aren't supenatural, but they can perform superhuman feats.  Supernatural or not is a "flavor" thing.  A wizard and a cleric could each burn foes with fire, but they have very different ideas about how they're doing it - the cleric is not an arcanist, no matter that he's performing feats that rival the wizard's.  By the same token, the fighter might perform feats that rival what a barbarian or swordmage or warden or so forth might do, but they do so in different ways, ways that are not, strictly speaking, supernatural.  No spells get cast, no primal spirits invoked, but the enemy gets cut to ribbons just the same.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 25, 2013 - 9:12AM #272
Maxperson
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:23PM, erleni wrote:

D&D fighters have always been supernatural. A D&D fighter can kill a dragon. I sincerely doubt that a real world olympic fencer can even think about trying to kill a fire-breathing intelligent tyrannosaur. Those who believe that a mundane high level fighter ever existed in D&D are deluding themselves.




That's not supernatural.  That's fantasy.  There's a difference.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 25, 2013 - 9:15AM #273
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Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:37PM, Senevri wrote:

Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:16PM, Steely_Dan wrote:

Jan 24, 2013 -- 2:03PM, Lawolf wrote:

Mortals can't cast spells either.?



Of course they can.

But, not withstanding a spell, a mortal cannot jump a 50-foot chasm. 



Here, take this longsword, go fight an elephant. 

Now, quadruple the elephant's size and give it armor plating equal to an Abrams tank, agility and natural weapons of a great cat despite it's impossible size and a flame thrower. Then tell me how you kill it with your longsword, mortal.





Show me a first level fighter who can do all of that.  We mortals are first level........if that.

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