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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:09AM
#31
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Date Joined:
Nov 16, 2007
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I actually played Ret Pally, was lots of fun I think my raid group managed to get to 3 or 4 heroic bosses down in the last raid for cata, then me and my raid leader quit. Wow was simply to time cosuming. This was one of the reason I chose Blackguard to play originally, Im a fan of wearing heavy armor and swing a 2h (prefrably a sword) and doing lots of damage. 
Sounds like a Hybrid Barbarian|Cleric/Fighter may be right up your alley. Heavy armor, big weapon (sorry, gouge is best, refluff as sword if you must, and blame the system), small amount of leading, lots of damage.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 17, 2013 - 10:14AM
#32
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Date Joined:
Nov 23, 2003
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As the Avenger seems to have caught my eye and has a more intresting class mechnaic in my opinion. But from what i have been reading from the searches I have done most consider Avenger at the bottom of the striker totem pole, is that true?
IMHO, No, not in the least.
Avengers have the best striker feature of anyone, and (IMO) acceptable encounter powers. They're a little shy of multi-attacks like Rangers and Barbarians get, but the striker feature is pretty dang awesome. So if you want Campaign-crushing awesomeness, an Avenger is usually involved somewhere, because the striker feature is Just That Awesome. Twinked out avengers are as strong as anything.
"Builder Beige" avengers struggle substantially to get to 1/2 KPR (kill a standard monster every two turns) and reliably nuking a standard with a daily nova is also a challenge.
They are tricky to build because the list of acceptable encounter powers is kinda small. And they do NOT have an acceptable list of daily powers. And there is basically one great PP for them (and it's actually a PP designed for Invokers and Clerics. So it's a bit of a waste to use on an Avenger) and a few decent options (usually also for other classes)... and a lot of cruft you should never take.
So it's a cheese fest of overkill, or struggling to make par... and very little in the middle.
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Practical gameplay runs by neither RAW or RAI, but rather "A Compromise Between The Gist Of The Rule As I Recall Getting The Impression Of It That One Time I Read It And What Jerry Says He Remembers, Whatever, We'll Look It Up Later If Any Of Us Still Give A Damn." Erachima
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