So to clarify what I mean when I say "power with multiple instances of damage" I am referring to powers like Hellfire Rebuke or Chains of Levistus.
So let's say you've got a warlock with a +2 dagger (he used a feat to gain access to daggers as an implement).
Assuming no other feats or modifiers, he casts Chains of Levistus and hits his target for 2d6+con+2(from the dagger)+1d6(for curse) cold damage. If the target moves before EoNT then the target is subjected to more cold damage. Now I know the target will at least take an additional 2d6+con (as listed in the power description) as well as additional 1d6 from the curse (because it's a new turn). Will the enhancement bonus from the dagger also apply to this damage?
Taking things one step further, if our warlock has a +2 flaming dagger, then Chains would instead inflict 2d6+con+2+1d6 fire damage (as opposed to cold). Is the damage incurred on the move also convereted to fire? (I would assume that if the weapon's enhancement bonus applies then so would its properties...)
Thanks for your help!
Yes, bonuses and effects apply to all instances of damage caused by a power, there is no external limitation, only the conditions specified by the bonuses or effects. This means that both Hellish Rebuke damage instances get enhancement bonus to damage rolls, because they're both damage rolls.
It should be noted that Flaming Weapon technically has been updated to only change untyped damage to fire, but since none of the rest of the similar weapons were changed and it wasn't overpowered, this change is often ignored.
1) Yes. It's a seperate damage roll, and will get all the benifits. (char-op loves such powers).
2) Yes. In fact, you could cast the spell, drop the dagger in a portal to another plane, and it would still apply.
Yeah, I realized after the fact that flaming was different, but didn't think it was different enough for the purposes of the example to warrant changing it.
Chain of Levistus is not another instance of damage, its an extra damage, which means it will be in addition to the attack's damage, which will already have these damage bonuses added and thus won't add again due to stacking rules saying typed bonus don't stack, nor are untyped bonus from the same named game element.
That wouldn't make any sense. The attack happens and is resolved. If the target moves later the 2d6 isn't added onto the resolved damage. It has its own roll. If that weren't explicitly clear, the Explosive Pyre FAQ is also called extra damage and explicitly says it gets bonuses to damage rolls. "Extra" in this meaning additional damage, not "extra damage."
Sloppy writing is often sloppy.
Yes its added to the attack's damage, because its a extra damage. Wether its resolved or not doesn't matter to the extra damage rule. What matter is that its in addition to it, extra damage are never seperate instance of damage.
Its the same as Hunther's Quarry. Are you saying Rangers get to add their bonuses over again on the extra damage ? No they don't, because its an extra damage.
Sorry, extra damage is extra damage in 4E its a defined term.
You're wrong, according to the official FAQ and the rules. You can't just tack on extra damage after the damage is resolved. Extra damage does not work that way. It must be added at the time damage is resolved. Quarry is a specific exception to this, because it says it is. And at that Quarry is worded such that you can add it to any attack you made during the turn, but it still adds to that attack, so you rewind time and add it, because it says to.
Explosire Pyre is not an extra damage so it get bonuses since its a seperate instance of damage. The FAQ is wrong is saying it is one though.
Hellish Rebuke is not an extra damage so it get bonuses since its a seperate instance of damage.
Are you seriously arguing that Chain of Levistus is not an extra damage ?
It help if you just use the Rule As Written and don't try to tell people that ''Extra" in this meaning additional damage, not "extra damage."
Extra damage are not seperate instance of damage, they are in addition to one. And Chain of Levistus deals extra damage.
I can't because there isn't one i know of. Please quote the rule saying extra damage resolves at the same time as the damage it is added to if you know one i don't.
No rule citation saying extra damage resolves at the same time as the damage it is added to? That's what i though. Funny that you acknowledge that Hunther's Quarry provide a specific exception but not for Chain of Levistus. when it directly require something on subsequent turns to happen before dealing this extra damage. The rules for extra damage provides no timing so we must rely on game elements themselves to know when they are dealt. It is usually immediatly. But some extra damage apply retroactively. Thisseems like one of them.
So what we know is that Chain of Levistus deals extra damage if the target moves before the end of your next turn. Since extra damage is always in addition to other damage, then to which damage it is in addition to ?
SvG requires explication. Hunter's Quarry is an exception because it specifically says so. Your argument is null.
I said, go look up the damage rules and figure out why you're wrong. Hint: damage has a timing. Extra damage is always part of the initial damage, according to the extra damage rules. Shouldn't be hard to figure out why you're wrong.
You seem to be under the impression I am trying to educate you. I'm not. You're wrong. You can shut up or figure out why you're wrong, but I'm not going to baby sit a regular through a rules question that was resolved four years ago. Go figure out why you're wrong yourself.
I am not wrong just because you say so. I am not asking you educate me, i am asking you provide rule citation to rules you claim.
Since Chain of Levistus target can take extra damage if they move and that extra damage is always in addition to other damage, then to which damage this extra damage is in addition to if its not to the one it took ?
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