Hi I play a barbarian I do lots of dpr and am fairly tanky, however I am the only one in the party who is Vs AC. When I hit I tend to do chunks of the monsters hp killing them in about 1-2 rounds. My DM however did not like the fact that I was doing so well, in responce the only things we fight nowadays are monsters with unresonable AC hindering only me and no one else in the party. I am no longer having any fun as I cannot hit anything and am only good for skill checks.On the bright side the rest of my party is having a blast and all the monsters are a cake walk for them as they only have high AC. So I ask WHAT DO ????????
Hi I play a barbarian I do lots of dpr and am fairly tanky, however I am the only one in the party who is Vs AC. When I hit I tend to do chunks of the monsters hp killing them in about 1-2 rounds. My DM however did not like the fact that I was doing
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.
You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak mo
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.
You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
This. The other striker and I are the two characters who are most optimized in my group, and the DM tends to whine about us. But, doing good damage is our job. We remind him of that, point out that our combats /still/ drag on forever because we don't carry the group /enough/. That usually ends the discussion.
This. The other striker and I are the two characters who are most optimized in my group, and the DM tends to whine about us. But, doing good damage is our job. We remind him of that, point out that our combats /still/ drag on forever because we do
Talk to the DM, first of all. Tell him basically what you have just told us. You feel you're being treated unfairly, and you aren't having fun.
You're playing a striker, and I'm wagering a pretty optimized one (or your DM really likes to use weak monsters). Taking out monsters in a round or two is your job; that's how it's supposed to work.
If he's not willing to come to some kind of compromise, then leave the game.
Yeah, that's pretty cheap. Talk to the DM. It's pretty easy to see why he did what he did, but there are probably other approaches. One might be to make somewhat more involved encounters that can't be ended just be smashing the monsters. Another would be to make an encounter that the monsters can win in a single round, if the barbarian doesn't unload. "Win" here does not mean "kill the PCs," but something like blowing up a bridge or killing an NPC. Before, it was just fun to smash the monster in one or two rounds, now you HAVE to do it, or you lose.
Keep in mind, though, that you set yourself up for this kind of vulnerability. There are several barbarian powers that target Fortitude, and a few that target Reflex. If your party has a leader, there should be some ways for you to get attack bonuses when you need them. The rest of the group might be having fun, but it's probably to their advantage to set up their striker to be able to hit.
Yeah, that's pretty cheap. Talk to the DM. It's pretty easy to see why he did what he did, but there are probably other approaches. One might be to make somewhat more involved encounters that can't be ended just be smashing the monsters. Another woul
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
Assuming your character is of the same level and is equipped as well as the rest of the party, you should be able to hit as well as they can. I'd ask the other players what they're doing different.
Assuming your character is of the same level and is equipped as well as the rest of the party, you should be able to hit as well as they can. I'd ask the other players what they're doing different.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
Then the player should talk to the DM. Only the DM knows for sure, and it doesn't matter what we tell the poster is really going on.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
Yes, it's certainly possible.
Then the player should talk to the DM. Only the DM knows for sure, and it doesn't matter what we tell the poster is really going on.
Talking to the DM certainly isn't a terrible idea. But I can't agree with the notion that only DM knows whether he's tweaking monster ACs.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
Tell your DM. Then work with your DM to solve your problems or find a new DM.
Solve the problem could be as simple as "The DM stops upping the AC" or it could be you optimizing less. Figure out something you both like and do that.
Tell your DM. Then work with your DM to solve your problems or find a new DM. Solve the problem could be as simple as "The DM stops upping the AC" or it could be you optimizing less. Figure out something you both like and do that.
Are we all jumping to conclusions here without seeing the numbers? Typical target AC and character level before I even start to form an opinion on this one.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."
It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that the monsters' NADs seem to always be around 2 pts lower than their AC, the majority of the posters here would all be well within their rights to feel a little silly...
You think it's possible that he only feels hindered, but isn't actually? I still think a talk with the DM is warranted, regardless of what the math says. Math isn't everthing, even (perhaps especially) in 4e.
No matter if its numbers, misintrepretation, etc. Talking to the DM is really the only way to figure this out.
When I started running 4e I had a player after several game sessions come to me and ask why I was punishing his character for oppertunity actions.
After talking about it, we clearly had different intrepretations on the subject.
I tried to set up the board to the previous battle. We went over it again and again.
Finally we decided to start anew the next sessions.
As it turns out we both were incorrect in some regards. My fault lied in some of his movements. The player would pick up his character and move him from point a to d without showing the path. I made the assumption that it was direct without asking. As for the player he didn't realize that some of the other players characters players had some serious shifting abilities and wouldn't get attacked for that reason.
In the end we worked it out. But only by communicating with each other.
If you don't feel comfortable talking to the DM alone then ask a fellow player to help be the go-between.
Some races have really high ACs but poor saving throws. Monster Manuals are good for finding this stuff out.
If the player has an impression that the DM "hates" them, they should talk to the DM, even if the numbers are "right."[/quote]It's a very different conversation based on whether the numbers are right or wrong. If the OP comes back and tells us that
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you. :-P
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Ah the gouge, a wonderfully abusive weapon.
It's an Ax! It's a Spear! It's a 2d6 weapon that you re-roll 1s!
My Slayer highly endorses it.
Good Call Matyr!
Ah the gouge, a wonderfully abusive weapon. It's an Ax!It's a Spear!It's a 2d6 weapon that you re-roll 1s!My Slayer highly endorses it.Good Call Matyr!
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...
I'll be the devil's advocate and say you should take a Gouge and be a charge barb (assuming 4e). Then the monsters will need high ref and AC to avoid you.
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...
Which is saddening to lose 1d6 of damage. But if it increases your chance to hit by, say, 7. It might be worth it...
Doesn't really work, since Impaling Spear doesn't work with Howling Strike...[/quote]Which is saddening to lose 1d6 of damage. But if it increases your chance to hit by, say, 7. It might be worth it...
true, true. but you're also losing more than that, due to not using a Barbarian power (one of the class features triggers on them) - and it's 1/2/3d6
But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be using a barb if you're charging.
true, true. but you're also losing more than that, due to not using a Barbarian power (one of the class features triggers on them) - and it's 1/2/3d6 ;)But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be usi
true, true. but you're also losing more than that, due to not using a Barbarian power (one of the class features triggers on them) - and it's 1/2/3d6
But in principle, yes. However, if you're not using Howling Strike, you might as well not be using a barb if you're charging.
It wasn't meant as a serious comment at all. Just pointing out that if you hose a player in DnD there are often a lot of ways to get around it.
Sorry for taking so long to post and say thanks for all the feedback, When I had posted I forgot to include math of any kind. So he is a fairly new DM so he did not understand what was balanced and what was broken. He seriously thought that barbarians where a broken class as I was the only striker in the party and he had no real knowledge of the role system and based all judgements on my character alone. I have talked to him and resolved the problem and I know for a fact I was being treated unfairly and was not just a "feeling". Also dispite no know the exact AC of the creatures I was missing on rolls such as 17+12 Vs Ac but hiting with rolls like 5+11 vs fort basicly limiting me to one reliable attack per encounter (besides my daily) via Brutal Slam. Anyways Thank you very much.
It wasn't meant as a serious comment at all. Just pointing out that if you hose a player in DnD there are often a lot of ways to get around it.[/quote]Sorry for taking so long to post and say thanks for all the feedback, When I had posted I forgot t
Hi I play a barbarian I do lots of dpr and am fairly tanky, however I am the only one in the party who is Vs AC. When I hit I tend to do chunks of the monsters hp killing them in about 1-2 rounds. My DM however did not like the fact that I was doing so well, in responce the only things we fight nowadays are monsters with unresonable AC hindering only me and no one else in the party. I am no longer having any fun as I cannot hit anything and am only good for skill checks.On the bright side the rest of my party is having a blast and all the monsters are a cake walk for them as they only have high AC. So I ask WHAT DO ????????
Sounds to me that your GM would rather shame a player than challenge a player, this also goes with making you look like the bad guy by the group. Because you are a 1 or shot killer, I will throw mobs that you will not easily kill, unfortuntely their power level will make the rest of the party useless....and this is because you play this sort of character.
If damage and melee are your strongest points, why is your GM not taking advantage of your weaknesses? Ranged attacks. Magic. Superior tactics.
Seems the GM is taking it personal and has not GM's for too long to realize this, or he is upset and not thinking too clearly and professionally.
Sounds to me that your GM would rather shame a player than challenge a player, this also goes with making you look like the bad guy by the group.Because you are a 1 or shot killer, I will throw mobs that you will not easily kill, unfortuntely their p
