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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 1:30AM
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May 12, 2009
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I thought they were exemples :P
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 3:03AM
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Sep 12, 2004
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Neither RAW nor RAI should it be allowed. As Alcestis already stated, double moving only works with a limited set of move actions so by RAW it doesn't work with Dragon Wings. It might be that RAI was that double moving could be used with certain move action powers as well but was left out due to problems with wording (it can't work with all move actions, obviously, but only with those actually involving movement and not even with all of those).
Anyway, Dragon Wings require landing between short spurts of flight as you're not a very good flier, and using a double move to move twice your speed without landing in between would be very much like clearing a 8 square chasm by double moving and taking two 4 square leaps...
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 3:30AM
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Aug 11, 2006
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> Same move action twice explicitly lists the move actions you can use a double-move with.
> Run, Walk, Crawl, Shift. That's it.
Ahem.
From the glossary entry for Walk:
"The walk action can use special movement modes such as climbing, flying, and swimming."
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 3:51AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 12, 2004
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> Same move action twice explicitly lists the move actions you can use a double-move with.
> Run, Walk, Crawl, Shift. That's it.
Ahem.
From the glossary entry for Walk:
"The walk action can use special movement modes such as climbing, flying, and swimming."
Yes, that would be using athletics, a swim speed, a fly speed or similar. Dragon Wings doesn't grant you a special movement mode and you don't use the walk action to fly by means of Dragon Wings, you use the Dragon Wings power.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 5:38AM
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Oct 28, 2010
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It's worth noting, for the purposes of rulings, that you can explicitly use double move to jump up to twice your speed without landing in the middle, IIRC (as long as you can make lots of athletics of course)...
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 6:15AM
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> Same move action twice explicitly lists the move actions you can use a double-move with.
> Run, Walk, Crawl, Shift. That's it.
Ahem.
From the glossary entry for Walk:
"The walk action can use special movement modes such as climbing, flying, and swimming."
Yes, that would be using athletics, a swim speed, a fly speed or similar. Dragon Wings doesn't grant you a special movement mode and you don't use the walk action to fly by means of Dragon Wings, you use the Dragon Wings power.
No to athletics climbing, yes to climb speed. Alternate movement modes can be doublemoved with, because you're not using "fly" you're using "walk/run/crawl/shift" and with your alternate movement mode.
What Neutronium Dragon quoted is not incorrect. Run, Walk, Crawl, Shift are the only actions allowable for double move. What movement mode you're using for that action is completely up to you, but the action doesn't change just because you didn't use standard ground movement.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 8:34AM
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> Same move action twice explicitly lists the move actions you can use a double-move with.
> Run, Walk, Crawl, Shift. That's it.
Ahem.
From the glossary entry for Walk:
"The walk action can use special movement modes such as climbing, flying, and swimming."
Using a special movement mode is still using the Walk action, you just aren't using it for walking. So... no, no ahem.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 9:28AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2010
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Or using the Run action, or the Shift action, or the Crawl action.
Special movement modes aren't limited to Walk.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 9:47AM
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Jun 15, 2004
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So we are going back and forth about the Scion of Arkosia lvl 12 ability At-will Dragon Wings (Move Action: Effect: you fly a number of squares equal to your speed. You must land at the end of this movement)
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What would you rule in your game?
Based on the highlighted text, I would rule that the writer's intent was not to combine movements. However, I might also use DMG p.42 to justify breaking that ruling for cool stunts (maybe with an athletics roll).
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5 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:46AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2007
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Could double move be used with Ghost of the Rooftops, then, to long jump twice your speed?
"You can always judge a man by the quality of his enemies." -The Doctor, Remembrance of the Daleks
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