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Jan 21, 2013 -- 11:38AM, MrCustomer wrote:

The rules are what the rules are Oma, your self-entitled always rightness notwithstanding. They are written in a very clearly defined way, and the FAQ that you brought up yourself earlier in this debate supports my explaination.

I really don't give a damn about you Oma, I'm advising the original poster and those who care to understand how the rule should function, your word games aren't relevant as pointing out the page that says the you need to specify the conditions that will trigger the readied action makes it clear enough. As for the use of "any" or "anyone" it's meaning in this context is also clearly understood in the language used.

As for not being able to identify the Orc leader, all the more reason for not cherry picking. if you can't determine or guarantee the orc leader will be there, then you should take the first orc, but trying to choose the tirgger after the fact simply is not afforded in the rules.

1- well you are agree that the FQA are an official support of the rules?

2- the FQA say the same of the player and never say that you lose your ready fi you don't take it.

and the rules officially support that you use as trigger "anyone"

If I ready a spear for a charge does that mean I have to
make an attack against the first enemy to charge me?

That depends on how you word your readied action.
If you say, “I ready my spear against a charge from the next
enemy who charges me,” then the answer is yes. The triggering
condition you stated for your readied action has been met.
If you say, “I ready my spear against a charge from the
raging orc barbarian,” you don’t need to take your readied
action against anyone else who charges you (and in fact you
can’t, since the triggering condition hasn’t been met).
You can be as general or specific as you want (within
reasonable limits) when stating the conditions under which
your readied action triggers.

Jan 21, 2013 -- 12:19PM, MrCustomer wrote:

Oma, you just quoted something that agrees with me 100% and shows you how wrong you are. The FAQ are only "official" if they don't contradict the source rules, they don't here so they are a good explaination.

In the case of the first one, saying   “I ready my spear against a charge from the next enemy who charges me,” is the same as saying "anyone who charge me" since without any other qualifications when "anyone" or "any enemy" is met when the first comes out. then "the answer is yes. The triggering condition you stated for your readied action has been met."

Your FAQ just stated that you have to take the readied action when the triggering condition is met.  When "any orc" comes aroudn the corner, the trigger "I shoot any orc" is met, so you have to take the readied action (or abort)
 
The FAQ is stating that you have to take the readied action when the conditions are met.

The second part you highlighted, again you insist on only using half sentences. 

"You can be as general or specific as you want (within reasonable limits) "


As explained above, you have to be within reasonable limits, being so general as saying "I shoot any" is not within reasonable limits, if it is any orc but the first, so you have to take the readied action when it is triggered and not skip it.

How  to determine when it is reasonable? When the DM can understand the conditions and know what they are the same as you do. When the fist orc comes around the corner "any orc" the DM should know if that is trigger or not. If the DM can't tell if it's the trigger, then you were not within reasonable limits.


     
 

yes because as described if you say "from the NEXT enemy who charges me," this means that are only to the next, if you say "to anyone to charge me" that is a official limit the answer is nop.

is very clear, the FQA was saying that if you make a well condition as the trigger this answer will be nop.

as described in the player handbook say "to anyone" is a official limit.

Jan 21, 2013 -- 1:35PM, MrCustomer wrote:

1- anyone is a official limit in the readied action???

2- are you really sure that you "have to take the readied action" or you "may take the readied action"

3- are very clear that you "MAY" do it then you can leave the trigger and still waiting

4- again read the MAY in the rules please pag 160 of PHB 3.5

5- anyone is a official limit then don't exist factors to say that this is too open while the example of how specific need be a ready use anyone.

6- The reasonable condition happen before and is made for a player, you as DM can know that a lot of orcs are coming but the player not, he can say i shoot to anyone instead of say some race because he dont know if are orcs, rats, humans, goblins, etc. now the trigger can be apply many times and no rule say that this can't happen.

Jan 21, 2013 -- 2:38PM, StevenO wrote:

Here's a really stupid question:

Would Ready play any differently if the word "may" is removed completely from the description?

Assuming you are smart about your trigger condition I say the answer to this is clearly NO.  If we remove that one word now things are 100% crystal clear; when the trigger happens you do your action assuming of course that you are able to perform that action.  Nobody would ever think they could skip a trigger if you must perform the Ready when the trigger happens.  If you know you must perform the action you Ready when your stated condition is met you will most likely be a bit more careful settingup that trigger which means avoiding all the situations where you would normally use the "may take" out.

I contend that the only reason you see "may" anywere when it talks about Ready is so that you have an out if you decide you really don't want to take the action you have Readied.  Without the "may" if you say "I shoot any creature that comes through a door" and an ally comes through the door you MUST shoot the ally; the "may" just allows you to say "ops" and voids the ready so you don't shoot that ally.  The next time you Ready you should have learned to be a little more specific with your triggers to you don't lose actions because you really didn't want to do what you said you wanted to do when the trigger event occured.

Now if you believe the Ready would play very differently if the word "may" is removed then would ready play differently if all reference to the trigger condition was removed?  This is simply, if the word "may" implies that you can skip a trigger condition then when not just drop it completely from Ready?  If you can skip a trigger and have Ready remain then there is not point to the trigger to start with except to make describing it a bit easier.
 

then you are agree the book say MAY and the errata dont talk about this then its MAY.

and still under the limit you still need say a kind of action like "i going to cast a spell" or "i going to use magic missile" that is the readied action and a condition like "to someone coming" or "that the next or to attack me" or "the next orc named orckidius that charge me with a longsword in her off hand" etc.

maybe you are too closed to understand but the book never say thinks like "you can take your readied action if you are still able to do it" or "you take your readied action"

IT SAY "YOU MAY TAKE YOUR READIED ACTION" (this means "if you want" not "if you can")

the fact of the trigger say that you have a limit, as example you can make a condition that all can match as example in the case of "anyone that ..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" class="mceContentBody " contenteditable="true">coming from behind the door" this is not triggered if someone teleport behind you, because not are coming from behind the door.

Jan 21, 2013 -- 4:34PM, StevenO wrote:

you are the one that don't understand the obvious, and i ready answered you.

1- You may take your ready action in any moment before your next turn.

2- You may take your ready action when the trigger happen.

then if you dont take your readied action when the trigger happen you still are reading an action and you still can take it in any moment before your next turn while the trigger happen, if the trigger happen again then you gain a new chance of take your readied action.