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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:13AM
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I'm pretty sure the intent of this sentence,
"A creature with an intelligence score as low as 1 can understand the Sending, though the subject's ability to react is limited as normal by its Intelligence score."
indicates that it understands the message being sent despite any language barriers. If this wasn't the case then it should read that "the subject recognizes the Sending for what it is."
As far as trying to do a Sending to the Tarrasque, the spell says that the caster needs to be Familiar with the target creature. I can't find an official definition of familiar in any 3,5 books (if someone knows of one please let me know), but the Scrying spell defines it as "You know the subject well". This is a more intinate knowledge than Firsthand, which says "you have met the subject". So, it stands to reason that in order to do a Sending to the Tarrasque you would have to have met it and know it well. I don't think that is going to happen.
Remember that animals can recognize commands or a character with 1 in int (for Ability score damage) but still are limited as normal by its Intelligence score to don't speak coherently
the entry say "CAN" that let a chance that this can't happen.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:32AM
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I realize that. The issue with coherent speech, whether caused by gagging, Feeblemindedness, etc, is the reason I began the thread.
Can, can't, will, won't...I'm not trying to play word games up in this piece, I'm just looking for the opinion of the gaming community so that I can provide a fair interpretation of vague rules.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:37AM
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I realize that. The issue with coherent speech, whether caused by gagging, Feeblemindedness, etc, is the reason I began the thread.
Can, can't, will, won't...I'm not trying to play word games up in this piece,
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I'm just looking for the opinion of the gaming community so that I can provide a fair interpretation of vague rules.
It looks like this isnt very clear cut, so it looks like you'll have to go with what makes sense to you. And be sure to use the same interpretation consistently. 
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:38AM
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I realize that. The issue with coherent speech, whether caused by gagging, Feeblemindedness, etc, is the reason I began the thread.
Can, can't, will, won't...I'm not trying to play word games up in this piece, I'm just looking for the opinion of the gaming community so that I can provide a fair interpretation of vague rules.
well in this case maybe you need try use the Morse code he still have wis and can babble and keep mum.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:55AM
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Just to throw in my .02, I/we always assumed that it was telepathic and silent in nature. All the way back to AD&D days when the spell came out in that system's version of Unearthed Arcana. I don't know "why" we thought that, exactly. I pulled up the wording for that spell and the wording is really about the same.
Never mind the various differing schools of magic, but I think we had (and still have/do) look at a lumping of similar spells' effects including Dream and Telepathic Bond as various ways of approaching the Ends by whatever Means. All spells of about the same level, etc. (As opposed to the very intelligent comparison to the much lower level Whispering Wind by Shadowfax, above).
Anywho, that's just how we've always played it. I admit that a situation of duress never came up; Our characters use the spell simply as a "phone call", because a few of them are literally the monarchs of globally-separated kingdoms, not all hanging out together, until they decide to teleport/travel to some meeting place for whatever "adventure".
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 11:01AM
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I realize that. The issue with coherent speech, whether caused by gagging, Feeblemindedness, etc, is the reason I began the thread.
Can, can't, will, won't...I'm not trying to play word games up in this piece, I'm just looking for the opinion of the gaming community so that I can provide a fair interpretation of vague rules.
Sorry, this was once a place where you would get answers and reasoning interpretations of things.
If my stance isnt' clear I believe the reply would need to come as if spoken by the target. If the target is gagged or otherwise incapable of coherent speech then the reply will be similiarly garbled. I see nothing in the spell to suggest that any kind of "mental" communication takes place even if the caster or target has such an ability; if they do have that ability then that has its own limitations.
When it comes to recieving the Sending I'd guess the target just "hears it in his head" much like a person wearing a hearing aid or wearing high quality headphones/earpiece will hear something but everyone arround him may not hear the same thing. I'd guess the response would be spoken although it need not be more then a whipser that would be hard for anyone else to hear.
I suspect that Sending would be a lot like using a cellphone except that no phones are actually required along with the spells other restrictions.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 10, 2013 - 6:58PM
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It not being language-dependent pretty much seals it as mental in some way for me. The main count against that is it being evocation. It seems a little too convenient that way, but then it's a 4th/5th-level spell that does nothing except taking 10 minutes to send a 25-word message, so you'd expect it to be hard for much to interfere.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 8:13AM
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As the spell has a Verbal component, I will asume that you could not cast it if you were gagged or couldn't speak coherently. To clarify, the spell has a 10 minute cast time so I would assume the words were spoken as part of casting rather then after casting (as it might be in some spells) This is reasonable because with a limit of 25 words one would want to be very specific and carefully choose their words rather then rush them. It would be reasonable to assume the message is being woven into the spell and not simply "cast the spell and speak a brief message" since the spell has no requirement to speak the message, despite it's verbal component. This implies that it is not sent as a verbal message. Most creatures can understand common, or can understand you said something, but as the message isn't audible at the location (target 1 creature, and only recognizes it as you not hears you) then it suggests they receive the meaning of the message rather then hear the message (since it could then be overheard, not heard by the deaf etc. The message wording does say Int of 1 (which means a creature without language) can understand you. This of course would be impossible if they only heard the message. the entry say "CAN" that let a chance that this can't happen
Word games aside, "can" means "able to." you are confusing it with the word "could" If you want to play word games then I suggest you get a better grasp of the language.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 9:36AM
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Sorry but the rules say that the casting not are the same that the effect of the spell.
the words in the spells are for evoke the power to do it then the spell are done and you can do the effect, you dont do the effect while casting, you can cast silent this spell and then use the effect with sound because the SILENT spell only affect your form of cast not the spell.
Pepe pecas pica papas con un pico con un pico pepe pecas pica papas si pepe pecas pica papas con un pico donde esta el pico con que pepe pecas pica papas.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 11, 2013 - 10:05AM
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the effect of the spell is to send the message. This is no different then spells like Circle of Protection of Glyph of Warding. The area you write the glyph on and the cricle you draw in silver on the floors are not part of the spell's effect.
The spell effect is to "Send a message" Nowhere in the spell does it say you have to verbalize it after casting.
You can "assume" that it is verbalized as part of the spell's verbal component, and that would be a reasonable ruling, but nowhere in the spell does it say it has to be verbalized after casting, maybe it can be written. The message says it sends a message it does not say how the message is composed (verbal, written, sign language since the spell has somantic components)
Or, maybe as part of the casting you are "Evoking" the words of the message, and they are perhaps verbalized during that process.
Either way, casting this spell as a Silent spell removes the verbnal component, and nowere in the spell does it say the message has to be said verbally, so unless it is part of the verbal component of the spell there is no requirement to verbalize the words.
Then You are the one who just said the "can" could mean "can't" Your interpretation of the rules reflects your funamental failure to grasp much of the language it is written in.
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