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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 10:14AM
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I have seen 1000's of posts worth of discussion about the alignment systems and whether or nor they work, so I wanted to add a poll for the people here to see at a glance what the general consensus is: just the numbers, none of the arguments please, there are other threads for reading the specific arguments.
A character sheet is a player's love letter to the DM. If someone wants to do something and they want to do it well, let them. Encourage them. Have fun with it. -Unknown
An adventure is a DM's love letter to the players. If the DM wants something to happen in the game, let it. Encourage the DM. Have fun with it. -Centauri I'd love for input as to what it should be rather than arguments against why I shouldn't have it at all. -lialwyn Best defense that I've read in favor of having alignment systems as an option
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However, if some people are heavily benefiting from the inclusion of alignment, then it would behoove those that AREN'T to listen up and pay attention to how those benefits are being created and enjoyed, no? -YagamiFire
But equally important would be for those who do enjoy those benefits to entertain the possibility that other people do not value those benefits equally or, possibly, do not see them as benefits in the first place. -wrecan
That makes sense. However, it is not fair to continually attack those that benefit for being, somehow, deviant for deriving enjoyment from something that you cannot. Instead, alignment is continually attacked...it is demonized...and those that use it are lumped in with it.
I think there is more merit in a situation where someone says "This doesn't work! It's broken!" and the reply is "Actually it works fine for me. Have you considered your approach might be causing it?" than a situation where someone says "I use this system and the way I use it works really well!" and the back and forth is "No! It is a broken bad system!" because the former posits that improvement could be made...the latter only undermines the enjoyment of the person who is using alignment. -YagamiFire
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 10:18AM
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I chose they should be abandon. What I really think is that they should be abandon until they get significant improvements. Other games do it better.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 10:31AM
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Oh, yay, redundant threads. I'd think just putting one poll in 4e General would be better than two different polls.
And I reiterate: I think this is going to wind up devolving into yet another pointless alignment debate. I give it a week at most.
Gunmage, a homebrew arcane striker. (Heroic Tier playtest ready.) GDocs link. (More up to date.)
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 10:37AM
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It would be nice to see a thread not go up in flames, as unlikely as that is.
Personally, I voted that the system would need work to be useful. Particularly a line stating that the alignments are a guide, and not to be enforced mechanically or by dm fiat.
I like the usage of alignment as a shorthand of what general behaviors a character may follow, while accepting that people will vary in behavior both short- and long-term.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 11:36AM
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it's as simple as people voting and not commenting. Just vote and hold your peace. Already though you can tell the general inclination.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 11:58AM
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I like the usage of alignment as a shorthand of what general behaviors a character may follow, while accepting that people will vary in behavior both short- and long-term.
But if you accept that, then how can use use them as a shorthand? The player may not act at all how you expect. That's fine if you're not depending on certain behaviors, but aggravating for DMs who assume that the PCs will go along with the plot as presented, because to do otherwise would be against their alignment.
[N]o difference is less easily overcome than the difference of opinion about semi-abstract questions. - L. Tolstoy
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 12:01PM
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The Alignment System "works" as defining the very basic morality of people in a game like D&D. Alignmnt Based mechanics, however, are full of crap and should be abolished or tailored in a way that allows one group to keep them and one group to dismiss them. Personally, as a fan of the Paladin, I always felt shafted when we fought enemies where a good majority of my powers were nigh useless because......alignment. The big Iron Golem that's defending the entry way into the Lich's castle, rabid animals roaming the woods, and other primitive or unthinking creatures that are just as deadly as "evil" people but are not effected by character's abilities.
As a player, I don't want to be "shut-off" as a contributing player to the story just because some mechanic says "no, you can't use that now".
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 12:07PM
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It was just said that we did NOT want this to devolve into another thread like before. Please respect that. Vote and hold your peace. If you can't and feel you must comment, don't comment about other people's views. This is not what this thread is for. Contact the person by PM or go post in one of the hundreds of threads about alignment.
"Non nobis Domine Sed nomini tuo da gloriam" "I wish for death not because I want to die, but because I seek the war eternal"
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 12:33PM
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in my game we abandoned the alignment but i think it should still be in for those who do want it
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5 months ago ::
Jan 09, 2013 - 12:50PM
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It was just said that we did NOT want this to devolve into another thread like before. Please respect that.
You must be new here. 
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