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Want to see something funny guys? I found an NPC that contradicts not one, but two of oma's arguments. The following is from exemplars of evil. (The mention of monky grip is from earlier in the supplement which covers feats from other sources).

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Monkey Grip (Thaden): You can wield a light, one-handed, or

two-handed weapon that is Large or larger with a penalty of –2,

but with the same amount of effort as a Medium weapon of the

same type.

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Thaden Felstorm CR 15

hp 98 (128 with bear’s endurance) (15 HD)

Male human ranger 12/rogue 3

N Medium humanoid

Init +5; Senses Listen +13, Spot +13

Languages Common, Draconic, Giant

AC 23, touch 11, fl at-footed 22

(+1 Dex, +7 armor, +5 natural [with potion of barkskin])

Resist evasion

Fort +10 (+12 with bear’s endurance), Ref +12, Will +6

Speed 40 ft. (6 squares) (50 ft. with longstrider); woodland

stride

Melee +2 Large adamantine bastard sword +19/+14/+9

(2d8+8/17–20) and

+2 Large adamantine bastard sword +19/+14

(2d8+8/17–20)

Ranged +1 composite longbow +16/+11/+6 (1d8+6/19–20×3)

Base Atk +14; Grp +20

Atk Options favored enemy giants +6, favored enemy humans

+4, favored enemy dragons +2, sneak attack +2d6

Combat Gear 2 potions of cure moderate wounds, potion of

barkskin +5†

† Already used

Ranger Spells Prepared (CL 6th):

3rd—water walk

2nd—bear’s endurance†

1st—endure elements†, longstrider†

† Already cast

Abilities Str 22, Dex 13, Con 12 (16 with bear’s endurance), Int

11, Wis 13, Cha 10

SQ animal companion, link with companion, prodigy of

strength (see sidebar), share spells, swift tracker, trapfi

nding, trap sense +1, wild empathy +12 (+8 magical

beasts)

Feats EnduranceB, Exotic Weapon Profi ciency (bastard

sword), Greater Two-Weapon FightingB, Improved

Critical (bastard sword), Improved Initiative, Improved

ToughnessCW, Improved Two-Weapon FightingB, Monkey

GripCW (see page 25), Oversized Two-Weapon FightingCAd

(see page 25), TrackB, Two-Weapon FightingB, Weapon

Focus (bastard sword)

Skills Bluff +9, Climb +25, Diplomacy +4, Disguise +0 (+2

when acting), Hide +16, Intimidate +2, Jump +34 (+38

with longstrider), Listen +13, Move Silently +16, Open

Lock +10, Sense Motive +10, Spot +13, Survival +16

Possessions combat gear plus +3 mithral shirt, two +2 Large

adamantine bastard swords, +1 composite longbow (+6 Str

bonus) with 40 arrows, belt of giant strength +4, boots of

striding and springing, 63 pp, 8 gp

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FleshrakerMM3 Animal Companion CR —

hp 39 (51 with bear’s endurance) (6 HD)

N Medium animal (dinosaur)

Init +1; Senses low-light vision, scent; Listen +2, Spot +2

AC 26, touch 14, fl at-footed 22

(+4 Dex, +4 armor, +8 natural)

Resist evasion

Fort +7 (+9 with bear’s endurance), Ref +9, Will +4

Speed 50 ft. (10 squares) (60 ft. with longstrider)

Melee 2 claws +8 each (1d6+4 plus poison) and

bite +6 (1d6+2) and

tail +6 melee (1d6+2 plus poison)

Base Atk +4; Grp +8

Atk Options leaping pounce, poison (Fort DC 14, 1d6 Dex/

1d6 Dex), rake 1d6+2

Abilities Str 18, Dex 19, Con 15 (19 with bear’s endurance), Int

2, Wis 14, Cha 12

SQ two bonus tricks

Feats Improved Natural Attack (claw), Multiattack, Track

Skills Hide +12 (+14 in forested areas), Jump +27 (+31 with

longstrider), Listen +2, Spot +2

Possessions collar of mage armor

well, one argument down, now are you saying that if I can find an animal companion with a cr within the challenge rating spectrum of it's master that doesn't list a cr you'll admit you're wrong?

Jan 16, 2013 -- 2:17PM, Lashius wrote:

well, one argument down, now are you saying that if I can find an animal companion with a cr within the challenge rating spectrum of it's master that doesn't list a cr you'll admit you're wrong?

in this case this will fall under the Updates rules, if the Animal Companion have a greater CR (almost like the master) under the updates rules, because this animal companion don't waste nothing of your daily abilities this means that he give full exp.

as example a first level druid have an animal companion CR 1, under the rules fight again a druid with an animal companion give you EXP from a encounter CR 3 (or you only give the exp of the druid???)

If the animal companion are contempled in the Druid class then why the player handbook say in her first example

Animal Companion: Wolf (see the monster manual for details) this monster is described with CR 1

Look, I'm trying to avoid posting in this thread, nothing good will come of it, but seriously, Oma, there's a word you should learn. "Is." Exemplars of Evil is from 2007." "... because the barbarian is added to the battlefield." I try to be lax about this sort of thing, but seriously? This is too far too ignore.

Jan 16, 2013 -- 3:08PM, Oma012 wrote:

Jan 16, 2013 -- 2:45PM, Lashius wrote:

Jan 16, 2013 -- 2:29PM, Oma012 wrote:

Jan 16, 2013 -- 2:17PM, Lashius wrote:

well, one argument down, now are you saying that if I can find an animal companion with a cr within the challenge rating spectrum of it's master that doesn't list a cr you'll admit you're wrong?

in this case this will fall under the Updates rules, if the Animal Companion have a greater CR (almost like the master) under the updates rules, then because this animal companion don't waste nothing of your daily abilities this means that he give full exp.

as example a first level druid have an animal companion CR 1, under the rules fight again a druid with an animal companion give you EXP from a encounter CR 3 (or you only give the exp of the druid???)

If the animal companion are contempled in the Druid class then why the player handbook say in her first example

Animal Companion: Wolf (see the monster manual for details) this monster is described with CR 1

What 'update rules" are you referring too? If you're referencing FAQ, well, we've coverd the fact that they are not rules several times. Oma, im going to just quote Occam's razor in this regard and repeat: No animal companion ever published lists a CR.

The simplest reason as to why no animal companion has a listed CR is because they are part of the encounter, via the druids ability to call them in the first place (note special qualities are considered in an opponents CR, and as you can see from that example animal companions are listed as a special quality).

the FQA have official information about the rules (how use or what try to say), like the Web Rule of the game, are made for Skip Williams, are in the official pag of D&D 3.5 for support of the game like: Rules of the Game, FQA, Erratas and web enhancements.

Ok then why the first example of the druid have a Wolf with CR 1???

"About" is not "is". The FAQ gives information and advice on the rules, but they are themselves not rules (and in several instances are wrong).

Secondly, what "first example"? Every listed animal companion (at least that I have ever seen) dosn' have a listed CR. The sample druid from the DMG is a 5th level druid lizard folk, effectively a CR 6, and has a crocodile companion. A crocodile has a CR of 2 (only 4 less than the druid) which puts the crocodile in the CR range of it's master, yet no CR is listed. This is because the animal companion is part of the druids CR, as it is aquierd through a class feature.