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Switch to Forum Live View D&D Next First Impressions #4 (12/17/12)
5 months ago  ::  Jan 13, 2013 - 9:22AM #21
wildefox
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2011
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Jan 13, 2013 -- 12:50AM, InchLabel wrote:


I agree that LoF as a reaction is ridiculous, especially without a meaningful penalty for not being proficient with armour and shield.




You're right, I never really thought of how meaningless the penalties for not being profecient with shields and armour are. Really the only meaningful downsides are rolling with disadvantage on initiative (but my Cleric rarely likes to go first anyway) and on Dex saving throws (which are far more common than Str ones, but if that's the biggest downside I'll take my chances).

When you compare that to the AC and survivability gain you get, why wouldn't you strap every cleric into the best kind of armour they can get and screw the proficiency? 

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2013 - 2:33PM #22
InchLabel
Date Joined: Aug 4, 2012
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Jan 13, 2013 -- 9:22AM, wildefox wrote:

Jan 13, 2013 -- 12:50AM, InchLabel wrote:


I agree that LoF as a reaction is ridiculous, especially without a meaningful penalty for not being proficient with armour and shield.




You're right, I never really thought of how meaningless the penalties for not being profecient with shields and armour are. Really the only meaningful downsides are rolling with disadvantage on initiative (but my Cleric rarely likes to go first anyway) and on Dex saving throws (which are far more common than Str ones, but if that's the biggest downside I'll take my chances).

When you compare that to the AC and survivability gain you get, why wouldn't you strap every cleric into the best kind of armour they can get and screw the proficiency? 




Because of this, which I had a nagging feeling I'd read, but couldn't find before (121712 How to Play) which wasn't in the previous packet:

Casting in Armour


Because of the mental focus and precise gestures required for spellcasting, you must be proficient with the armour you are wearing to cast a spell. You are otherwise too distracted and physically hampered by your armour for spellcasting.


So, you can wear whatever armour you like, but can't cast spells.  Kind of a big drawback after all for a spellcaster.

Which means I now have to offer my Lightbringer the option to a) keep his deity and take off his armour, or b) switch to a deity that lets him wear armour.  Fortunately he's just done something I consider fairly evil, so forcing the issue immediately can be a perfectly plausible roleplaying opportunity.

I do wish they'd stop screwing up the pre-gen characters (which are always my starting point when converting PCs from packet to packet) so this wouldn't occur.  And changing a cleric from one that can wear anything to one that can suddenly wear nothing is a pretty big change!)

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 16, 2013 - 4:03PM #23
Sifaka
Date Joined: Jun 6, 2012
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Lightbringer not having armor proficiencies is not a very large drawback if you create a dwarf cleric that gets armor proficiencies, as part of its race.  If this is going to be a balance point than it needs to be an explicit restriction.

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