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5 months ago ::
Jan 06, 2013 - 1:51AM
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Not only that, but it's not even like a character with balanced stats is way better off when it comes to saves than a character with lopsided stats, since while they're better at some saves, they're worse at others. They are better off overall, because a character with the ability to target different saves can't just target a very weak one, but the difference is small.
Well, there's also the fact that point buy penalizes you for going above a 13.
16 16 15 8 8 8 (race and class bonuses in different places) nets you +5 overall to saves
14 14 14 12 12 10 (race and class bonuses in different places) nets you +8 overall to saves
Not a huge difference, of course, but characters with balanced stats are slightly better at saves overall.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 06, 2013 - 2:26AM
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It seems that some people are mistaken about what min/max means. It literally means to minimize your weaknesses and maximize your strengths. The correct stat distribution, assuming point buy, is rarely some all in on main stat; when looked at with a min/max prespective. That is because minimizing your weaknesses is the first step. Now this is just a basic view that will change based on class, race, level (especially with the ability caps that everyone will reach).
edit: accedental quote
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5 months ago ::
Jan 06, 2013 - 2:29AM
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Not only that, but it's not even like a character with balanced stats is way better off when it comes to saves than a character with lopsided stats, since while they're better at some saves, they're worse at others. They are better off overall, because a character with the ability to target different saves can't just target a very weak one, but the difference is small.
Well, there's also the fact that point buy penalizes you for going above a 13.
16 16 15 8 8 8 (race and class bonuses in different places) nets you +5 overall to saves
14 14 14 12 12 10 (race and class bonuses in different places) nets you +8 overall to saves
Not a huge difference, of course, but characters with balanced stats are slightly better at saves overall.
Also very true.
It seems that some people are mistaken about what min/max means. It literally means to minimize your weaknesses and maximize your strengths. The correct stat distribution, assuming point buy, is rarely some all in on main stat; when looked at with a min/max prespective. That is because minimizing your weaknesses is the first step. Now this is just a basic view that will change based on class, race, level (especially with the ability caps that everyone will reach).
I know that the alternate definition you're using does get batted around sometimes, but it's a largely useless one since it's just synonymous with making a mechanically strong charater. People don't seem to have a problem with that.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 06, 2013 - 3:39AM
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All that sort of assumes that all the saves from ability scores are equal. They're not. A look through the spells and bestiary shows that most saves are against dexterity, constitution and wisdom. I saw a couple against charisma and none for strength or intelligence. So, basically what we have here are fort, ref and will by another name, with the express reservation that design space is open for other scores. Given the team's track record of exploring design space, boldly pushing forward into new territory and dutifully giving design time to neglected areas, I don't foresee any major change in this area.
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