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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 9:27PM
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Two-‐Weapon Defense You can use the weapon you wield in your off hand to defend yourself. Benefit: While you are wielding a different weapon in each hand, you gain a +1 bonus to AC, provided you have proficiency with both weapons.
Does "Different weapon" mean the weapons can't be of the same type, or simply you can't use it with a 2-hande weapon?
Doe s Shiels (D4 weapon) count? Having +2 from the shield and the feat would actually make Sheilds almost useful again.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 9:45PM
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Does "Different weapon" mean the weapons can't be of the same type, or simply you can't use it with a 2-hande weapon?
I think that by different weapon it means NOT a double weapon.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 9:52PM
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Does "Different weapon" mean the weapons can't be of the same type, or simply you can't use it with a 2-hande weapon?
I think that by different weapon it means NOT a double weapon.
Which is LAME. A staff is a much better defensive weapon than two daggers...
On the shield with two weapon defense, a shield isn't a weapon you are proficient in. it's armor you are proficient in that you can use in a melee attack. Now a spiked shield would count if you can figure out how to get proficiency in an exotic weapon...
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:07PM
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On the shield with two weapon defense, a shield isn't a weapon you are proficient in. it's armor you are proficient in that you can use in a melee attack. Now a spiked shield would count if you can figure out how to get proficiency in an exotic weapon...
Hrmmm... Shield appeared in the martial weapons list in the last iteration... Spiked Shield appears under special weapons in this iteration. Is a shield no longer a D4 weapons in this iteration?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:23PM
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On the shield with two weapon defense, a shield isn't a weapon you are proficient in. it's armor you are proficient in that you can use in a melee attack. Now a spiked shield would count if you can figure out how to get proficiency in an exotic weapon...
Hrmmm... Shield appeared in the martial weapons list in the last iteration... Spiked Shield appears under special weapons in this iteration. Is a shield no longer a D4 weapons in this iteration?
It's not a weapon, it's armor. It has a damage dice, so you can hit with it. But a rock (imp. weapon) has the same stats, so that doesn't tell us anything. However, wether you get a weapon attack bonus is unclear. Unless the rules state it's a weapon, I wouldn't allow either the bonus nor the use in TWD.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:29PM
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So you'd let someone use TWD with a Spiked Shield, but not a regular old shield, eh?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:36PM
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So you'd let someone use TWD with a Spiked Shield, but not a regular old shield, eh?
Yep... Well, they can't now because there isn't a way to get the proficiency. But if they WHERE proficient, then I sure would. It's a weapon on the weapon chart so there isn't a reason to say no. there isn't a normal shield on the weapon chart and the sheild description doesn't say it's a weapon, so it isn't a weapon.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 04, 2013 - 10:38PM
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Does "Different weapon" mean the weapons can't be of the same type, or simply you can't use it with a 2-hande weapon?
I think that by different weapon it means NOT a double weapon.
Which is LAME. A staff is a much better defensive weapon than two daggers...
The weapon property, double, actually specifically states "you are considered to have a different weapon in each hand when you wield the weapon with both hands," so there is no issue - the language of "different weapon in each hand" simply prevents any misunderstanding about whether a normal two-handed weapon (example: greatsword) counts because the character has a weapon in each of his hands while both are on the same greatsword.
Careful, man. That much logic might be illegal on the internet. - Salla
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5 months ago ::
Jan 05, 2013 - 11:32AM
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Does "Different weapon" mean the weapons can't be of the same type, or simply you can't use it with a 2-hande weapon?
I think that by different weapon it means NOT a double weapon.
Which is LAME. A staff is a much better defensive weapon than two daggers...
The weapon property, double, actually specifically states "you are considered to have a different weapon in each hand when you wield the weapon with both hands," so there is no issue - the language of "different weapon in each hand" simply prevents any misunderstanding about whether a normal two-handed weapon (example: greatsword) counts because the character has a weapon in each of his hands while both are on the same greatsword.
Yeah, that makes sense. That'll teach me to skim over a section.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 05, 2013 - 2:37PM
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I started the exact same topic as well: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...The consensus seems to be: "slopppy writing" is the cause of the word different.
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