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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 12:27PM #161
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 12:24PM, Luis_Carlos wrote:

The spell should allow notice about varied degrees of intensity. The littlest sins would be sensed like whispers, and blood crimes like shrieks, with different intermediate points.  



Well, is it measuring the transient thoughts or is it measuring the permenant weight of sins on their soul?  Because two posts ago you said "it only would work when character for that moment has got good or bad intentions" and now you say it can measure "sins" and "blood crimes".  Which is it?  I don't know what you're proposing anymore.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 1:50PM #162
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What if we use the discription for Detect Undead and replace the word Undead with Evil?

Detect evil creatures in your 30ft cone and evil creatures can't be hidden from you while in your zone.  
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 2:36PM #163
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I suposse the DM could change modder if the spots of the aura are by bad action in the past would more difficoult to be detected by a concentration check, but if the target is thinking about bad actions (for example slave trade) would be easier. 

 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 3:25PM #164
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I like to include evil NPC's in the game that the party can not defeat by combat.

What is the party going to do when they detect that the powerful Lord Buckingham, Duke of the Eastern Marches, is evil when he is much too powerful for them to try to fight directly and any accusations in court are going to be laughed off (at best) or attract reprisals (at worst)?
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 4:29PM #165
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 3:25PM, Shasarak wrote:

I like to include evil NPC's in the game that the party can not defeat by combat.

What is the party going to do when they detect that the powerful Lord Buckingham, Duke of the Eastern Marches, is evil when he is much too powerful for them to try to fight directly and any accusations in court are going to be laughed off (at best) or attract reprisals (at worst)?




I'm not sure what this has to do with the spell, however.


In fact - I'd go so far as to say that. given two adventures:

Adventure A:  The players cast a cheap spell and determine that "the powerful Lord Buckingham, Duke of the Eastern Marches, is evil when he is much too powerful for them to try to fight directly and any accusations in court are going to be laughed off (at best) or attract reprisals (at worst)?"

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Adventure B:  The player looking into various suspicious events around town and learn that 'the powerful Lord Buckingham, Duke of the Eastern Marches, is evil when he is much too powerful for them to try to fight directly and any accusations in court are going to be laughed off (at best) or attract reprisals (at worst)?'

I would very very much prefer to both play and DM the second of the two.  In this case, the presence of the spell (if the spell does in fact detect evil actions by mere mortals and is not - as I think it should be - limited to evil extraplanar beings and the direct (i.e. divine) servants of those beings) actually makes the adventure less fun and less interesting to me.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 08, 2013 - 8:24PM #166
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Jan 8, 2013 -- 4:29PM, CarlT wrote:

I'm not sure what this has to do with the spell.




It shows that even being able to "detect evil" does not necessarily ruin an encounter.

Duke Buckingham is an evil SoB but he is still loyal to the King and the only Lord with forces strong enough to face the attack from the humanoids of the Northern Wastes.

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