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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 8:08AM #1
Cyclone_Joker
Date Joined: May 19, 2010
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With Minmax down, I need something to do. So, I've decided to help out this forum, based on something I saw on the White Wolf forum ages ago: Optimized build requset thread.

So, basically, have a character idea you want to see on paper? Want to see what some class is capable of doing? Just ask.

The rules are as follows:
1) You can ask for basically anything
2) I am perfectly willing to say no, if I believe I can't do the job well, I really dislike the idea(Especially if it involves Shadowcasters), or I simply feel don't like it.
3) Give me specifics. Sure, you can ask for something incredibly vague or whatever, but a more specific request is more likely to be given attention, and be closer to what you want.
4) You might not get exactly what you're looking for. I am incapable of telepathy, and have pretty high standards on quality. You're getting it quickly, complete, and purely out of the kindness of my boredom. Gift horses and mouths and all. If you don't like this, be specific.
5) Despite what many of you may think, I'm not a god. Be patient. Even I am not always capable of coming up with perfect builds instantly.
6) You can make three types of requests; A general outline of the best ways to go about what you want, a semi-complete build, with class, race, and feats all planned out, or a totally complete build including WBL and so on. Fluff depends on my mood.
7) If your post is unreadable, due to lack of punctuation, the inability to use a spellchecker, or general incoherence, I may still try do it. I am, however, just as likely to laugh it out. So, please, for the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, make your posts readable.

Do note that, unless specifically told otherwise, if there's a well-known build out there that fits what you want, I'm likely just to link it to you. See Sorcadin, for example.

I'd also appreciate requests to be numbered. Simply more convinient that way.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 9:57AM #2
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Ate other people allowed to post suggestions, or is this thread your personal sandbox?
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 10:56AM #3
piggyknowles
Date Joined: Oct 5, 2012
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Hmm... I'm game.  I've got a few build ideas that I haven't been able to get to coalesce into something playable.

REQUEST 1
I've been trying to work out on optimized Chameleon archer, focusing on Wis-synergy.  I've got an idea for a rough skeleton of the build, but it's still a bit clunky.

Some elements I'd definitely like to keep include a heavy Wis focus, and DMM (Persist) with a lot of ranger spells.  I'd like Chameleon to remain a central part of the build - I'm not trying for a typical cleric or archivist.  Pretty much anything else I'm willing to drop.  No flaws, no dragon mag (but Compendium is OK), no alternate rule systems (generic classes and the like).  28 PB.

My current build skeleton is Human, Cloistered Cleric (Knowledge, Planning, Trickery) 1/Soulknife 2/Ranger 2/Soulbow 2/Chameleon 10, with Arcane Hunter ranger ACF and the Mind's Eye soul knife ACF that trades Wild Talent for Hidden Talent.  Probably pick up PMC with Hidden Talent, although I also like the idea of Mindlink.

Current issues I'm having include feat distribution, low level playability and how to finish the build.  I haven't been able to settle on good starting stats either.  In general, I like the idea and I'd want to play this for my next character, but right now the build just feels a little too awkward.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 1:39PM #4
Cyclone_Joker
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BUILD 1:
Okay, that looks fun. There are a couple ways you can go about this. Be warned, however, than neither archery nor chameleons are things I have migh experience is, so this is mostly based on theory. From one angle, the text of Arcane Strike doesn't actually require you to use arcane spells or a melee weapon. Of course, even if your DM insisted it did, it could be worked around with an Elvencraft Bow and Southern Magician.

So, the build I'd go with, personally, looks something like 

Cloistered Cleric 1/Soulknife 2/Ranger 2/Soulbow 2/Chameleon 10/Whirling Frenzy Barbarian 1/Warblade 2.

The order here is pretty flexible. It's pretty much simply finishing what you started. It should get the job done. Warblade basically can give you a couple of auto-passes on saves, or you could go for WRT. Pretty nifty.

Or, my personal favorite
Cloistered Cleric 1(Trickery and Planning domains, Knowledge Devotion)/Battle Sorcerer 4/Chameleon 10/Mystic Theurge 5.
Magic bows are cool. Force bows are even cooler. Giving up Mind Arrows for access to Force Bows and things like splitting? A great deal, IMO. Now, the Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge part at the end might look a bit weird, I admit, but Arcane Strike is great, and you don't lose much from getting more slots. Human Paragon would work well, too, I admit, but I really do like Mystic Theurge. Shadow Weave Adept(or whatever it's called) Would work near the top, too. 

If you start at level 10 or higher, you can forget Battle Sorcerer, and just go with a normal sorcerer, given your access to Divine Power. For sorcerer spells, I simply suggest standard Sorcadin buffs. The biggest advantage of this build is the ability to break through DR at low levels, but, overall, I think this is the best.

Now, for your feats, I suggest, in order, something like 1)Southern Magician B)Extend B)Knowledge Devotion H)Able Learner 3)Persist 6)DMM Persist 9)Zen Archery 12)Arcane Strike 15)Ocular spell 18)DMM(Ocular).

Now, as I said, I am not an expert on archery builds, but this was the best I could come up with at the moment.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 2:26PM #5
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You didn't answer my question. The question, you jerk!*

*A quote from one of John McEnroe's rants. Included solely for humor, not an excuse to include the ORCs.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 4:13PM #6
Andarious-Rosethorn
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In the second build how do you qualify on the Divine spellcasting front of Mystic Theurge there CJ, am I missing a trick? 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 4:22PM #7
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Jan 4, 2013 -- 2:26PM, draco1119 wrote:

You didn't answer my question. The question, you jerk!* *A quote from one of John McEnroe's rants. Included solely for humor, not an excuse to include the ORCs.


Oh, missed it.

Sure, I guess, if you want. It's supposed to be, you know, actually optimized though, so I REALLY don't want to see any garbage builds here.

Jan 4, 2013 -- 4:13PM, Andarious-Rosethorn wrote:

In the second build how do you qualify on the Divine spellcasting front of Mystic Theurge there CJ, am I missing a trick? 


Southern Magician.

Also, note how a focused specialist actually probably works better than Sorcerer. Sorcerer was merely a relic of a different avenue I was looking at.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 4:57PM #8
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Jan 4, 2013 -- 4:22PM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 2:26PM, draco1119 wrote:

You didn't answer my question. The question, you jerk!* *A quote from one of John McEnroe's rants. Included solely for humor, not an excuse to include the ORCs.


Oh, missed it.

Sure, I guess, if you want. It's supposed to be, you know, actually optimized though, so I REALLY don't want to see any garbage builds here. 



So I should just tell everyone to play a wizard?  
Also, not everyone has access to all the books, so you may want to specify the source of some of your more obscure options.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 5:36PM #9
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I'd call the use of Southern Magician into question.  Maybe it works if the DM allows it but it is what I'd call a munchkin move.
 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 04, 2013 - 7:08PM #10
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Jan 4, 2013 -- 5:36PM, StevenO wrote:

I'd call the use of Southern Magician into question.  Maybe it works if the DM allows it but it is what I'd call a munchkin move.


Once per day per two spellcaster levels, you can cast a divine spell as an arcane spell, or vice versa. This enables you to bypass arcane spell failure due to armor, or gain additional benefit from spell that functions differently for a divine caster instead of an arcane caster...


Munchkin? If the DM allows it? It's very clear, simple, and so blatantly obvious I really have trouble believing it wasn't intended. There is nothing that can possibly be "called into question."

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