I recently got Persistant Spell (metamagic) feat and I want to know all the best enchancement spells I can use for this. I know of Cat's grace, Bull's & Bear's Strength, Shield of Faith, Entropic Shield, Sanctuary, and Resist / Prevent Energy.
Are there any others spell level 4 and under that would be effective for my party? We do everything from fight to gamble to negotiate to steal to even think about opening a business..... Pretty much everything. All ideas would be appriciated.
I'll note that "touch" ranges spells actually don't fall into the "personal or fixed range" categories that are needed to use Persistent Spell on. You may want to say that "touch" is "fixed range" but it really is not.
Now if you are looking for spells of 4th-level or lower to Persist you want to look at Divine Power. It is one the prime targets for Persistent Spell and a big reason they say clerics can out fight warrior types and why they say your BAB doesn't matter when you are a cleric. Freedom of Movement has a range of Personal OR touch so you can maybe squeek that one in with Persistent spell.
If you want to melee divine power is a solid spell, or girallion arms, I wouldn't bother much with the +4 stat ones since its an enchancement bonus, lesser form of the deity mifht not be bad either
And if you have Divine Metamagic (Persist), there's always Righteous Might (5th) and Righteous Wrath of the Faithful (3rd, iirc).
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There is a way to make a touch spell a fixed-range effect, but it's really awkward (involving Ocular Spell - don't ask). You're better off looking at any Personal-range buff; WotC seems to think that any of those are prime locations for "make me a tiny god" effects. They aren't all that good, but you'll be hard-pressed to find persistent-compatible spells that are worth using that aren't personal.
As Draco mentioned, Persistent Spell is more or less a joke on its own, but with the Divine Metamagic feat (basically, pick one metamagic feat, and you can activate it on the fly for 1+its slot modifier in turn attempts), it becomes much more useful. For starters, it lets you persist any spell you can cast, even if you don't have a slot six levels higher available. (i.e. you're 7th level? Fine, persist a 4th!).
The biggest candidates from Core offensively are probably Divine Power (basically the definitive persistent buff) and Righteous Might (5th level, but it's hard to be complete without mentioning it). Any spell with absolute language (i.e. Freedom of Movement) is also worth looking into.
Outside of core, I've seen some people persist Mass Lesser Vigor (yes, it's a fixed-range effect), but this is only worth doing if you have a lot of turn attempts to spend (read: buy lots of Nightsticks, although there's a very good argument that they don't stack).
I'm really not as familiar with divine magic as I should be, so I can't do the rest from memory and I'm away from my books.
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I'll note that "touch" ranges spells actually don't fall into the "personal or fixed range" categories that are needed to use Persistent Spell on.
Until you bring Ocular into the mix.
More on point, beyond things like Holy Transformation, or other simple bonuses, the only thing that actually really matters is Divine Power. Everything else is just for convinience.
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I'll note that "touch" ranges spells actually don't fall into the "personal or fixed range" categories that are needed to use Persistent Spell on.
Until you bring Ocular into the mix.
More on point, beyond things like Holy Transformation, or other simple bonuses, the only thing that actually really matters is Divine Power. Everything else is just for convinience.
And where is Ocular located? Is it something that someone can find just using the core books? Tempest just mentioned it moments before you did but doesn't seem to think it is worth the effort needed.
And where is Ocular located? Is it something that someone can find just using the core books? Tempest just mentioned it moments before you did but doesn't seem to think it is worth the effort needed.
Lords of Madness.
For more information on the use and abuse of Ocular Spell, I recommend a look at the infamous Twice-Betrayer.
Ocular is an inherently good Metamagic. While a bit odd, it can let you do all sorts of fun things with spells, and generally wreck the action economy even further.
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I didn't say it wasn't worth it, I said not to ask - it's a good feat, but an easy enabler for cheese, a thematic mismatch (as it's themed after beholders), and, for a player unfamiliar with the basics of cleric buffing, probably a needless complication for now. It's still absolutely critical if you want every bit of power you can get out of Persistent Spell; CJ's linked to the best example of that.
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[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling) [TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme) [AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class) [RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme) [AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility) [TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC) [TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods) [TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability) [AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme) [AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage) [TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme) [AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme). [TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme) [RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management) [SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum) [RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt) [AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder) [RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard) [RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster) [RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout) [AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum) [AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme) [DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x) [AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB)) [RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive) [AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork) [TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support) [DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility) [AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt) [RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical) [RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical) [TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist) [RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme) [AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity) [TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)
Sorry Tempest, I didn't mean to be too dismissive. Of course your declining to go further because of the cheese it can introduce is exactly the reason that CJ would be bringing it up so readily.
So it's in Lords of Madness. No wonder I missed it. Not only is it not in a core rulebook it isn't even in the next "tier" of books that most people will use by which I mean the Complete X series. No, it's in a creature type book that probably covers the least popular of the various type specific books. No wonder I'm blind to it.
