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6 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 11:43PM #1
dndinsider3
Date Joined: Oct 21, 2012
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Does the effect on flame spiral (the 1d6 against enemies entering a square) get any bonuses to it? Or is it straight up 1d6?
Need to know to know if I should grab this power. 
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 11:51PM #2
Raegoul
Date Joined: Aug 16, 2005
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Yes! No. You should grab this power.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 11:59PM #3
Black_Knight999
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Flame Spiral is considered by most to be the best Sorcerer power you will ever get. Take it.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 12:54AM #4
dndinsider3
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Jan 2, 2013 -- 11:51PM, Raegoul wrote:

Yes! No. You should grab this power.


What are you saying yes and no?
Yes, it adds bonuses? No, its not a staight up 1d6? 

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 12:54AM #5
MagnifloriousPhule
Date Joined: Dec 31, 2012
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Jan 2, 2013 -- 11:51PM, Raegoul wrote:

Yes! No. You should grab this power.





Are you saying yes to the first question, no the second question, and that he should take the power?

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 12:55AM #6
Naflem
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The effect gets full bonus damage, every time it triggers. It is a ridiculous power, take it and never replace it.
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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 12:57AM #7
Raegoul
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Jan 3, 2013 -- 12:54AM, MagnifloriousPhule wrote:

Jan 2, 2013 -- 11:51PM, Raegoul wrote:

Yes! No. You should grab this power.





Are you saying yes to the first question, no the second question, and that he should take the power?



Yes.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 1:02AM #8
MagnifloriousPhule
Date Joined: Dec 31, 2012
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Jan 3, 2013 -- 12:57AM, Raegoul wrote:

Jan 3, 2013 -- 12:54AM, MagnifloriousPhule wrote:

Jan 2, 2013 -- 11:51PM, Raegoul wrote:

Yes! No. You should grab this power.





Are you saying yes to the first question, no the second question, and that he should take the power?



Yes.




I'm just curious, where in the rules does it state this, I've been searching the compendium to no avail.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 1:07AM #9
Raegoul
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Jan 3, 2013 -- 12:55AM, Naflem wrote:

The effect gets full bonus damage, every time it triggers. It is a ridiculous power, take it and never replace it.



Full bonus may be confusing as it gets all bonus damage effects when you roll dice. And get a Power Jewel.

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6 months ago  ::  Jan 03, 2013 - 1:12AM #10
kilpatds
Date Joined: Nov 23, 2003
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Jan 3, 2013 -- 1:02AM, MagnifloriousPhule wrote:

I'm just curious, where in the rules does it state this, I've been searching the compendium to no avail.


Does it have the Arcane keyword and Is it a damage roll?  Then you get boosts to things that boost arcane damage rolls.  A sorcerer's class feature comes to mind. (See below)

Does it have the implement keyword and is a damage roll?  Then you get boosts to things that boost implement damage rolls.  Your implement's enhancement bonus comes to mind.

There's nothing that says "it gets all boosts you can think of", because it won't.  If you have some PP feature that boosts weapon damage rolls, you won't get that bonus even if you use a weaplement as your implement, because it's not a weapon power.  But the ones that do count, count.

Because that's what the rules say.  And there's nothing to say they don't here, just because it makes numbers larger.

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