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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 5:15PM
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I've seen quite a few good lazylord builds but almost all of them are hybrid bard. My friend whose campaign I'm looking to join has expressly banned hybrids though. So I'm trying to look for a way to build an effective lazylord without hybridding. Any ideas?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 5:32PM
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I'm not an expert but I've read the guide so let me give this a shot:
1. STR warlords are better
2. To buld a lazy one, put 16s in CHA and INT, go pixie, tiefling or eladrin and pick the powers in the "No attack" sections.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 5:38PM
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Warlord can hybrid well with a lot of things. Warlord|Ardent, Warlord|Bard, Warlord|Artificer etc. So its not just bards.
What hydralisk said is about half true, STR warlords aren't better for every group but better for many. And basically just take powers that don't require you to attack. Being a straight warlord will make you a little worse starting out because there aren't a lot of great dailies that don't require you to hit early on, but it will round itself out fairly quickly.
Edit: Question1 - Why does he ban hybrids? Question 2 - Why do you want to be lazy specifically?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 6:02PM
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And here's a link to the Warlord guide that hydralisk mentioned.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 6:55PM
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And if you're gonna make a lazy character, as your only character, what are you planning to do during combat? Provide the team with snacks and take a nap?
Please be very aware of what it means to have a lazy character, and how it will effect you during game play.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 7:18PM
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I've seen quite a few good lazylord builds but almost all of them are hybrid bard. My friend whose campaign I'm looking to join has expressly banned hybrids though. So I'm trying to look for a way to build an effective lazylord without hybridding. Any ideas?
In a nutshell, lazylords sacrifice the full range of daily and encounter powers so as to be better at utility powers. As that likely means they're going with Int and Cha, they very naturally can pick up all kinds of good attack powers from Int or Cha classes if they hybrid with them.
So I would duplicate that effect with multi-classing, probably with Wizard or maybe Psion to create an artificial Thoughtswitch. Or I'd MC Bard and pick Daring Blade as your Paragon Path - that will let you pick Str Warlord powers while dumping Str once past Heroic.
And as others have mentioned, lazylords are basically the 4e equivalent of watching paint dry.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:11PM
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Eh, they're plenty fun to play. For the people who like playing them.
(IMHO, Lazylords are awesome. It's just that attacking warlords get better attack powers, and almost as good utilities. So non-lazy warlords are, in fact, better. Which, given how good lazylords can be, is in fact kinda scary)
Edit: Re build. If you're gonna go lazy, go lazy. Bracers of Mental might give you one of the real encounter powers to work with... but otherwise, enable enable enable. Go with Battle Captain or Infernal Tactician like every other enabling-focused warlord, cause the bonuses are just too big to pass up. Find/buy items you give/loan to your strikers. Don't take expertise feats. Take advantage of being lazy, and hand out silly large bonuses silly often.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:27PM
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Eh, they're plenty fun to play. For the people who like playing them.
(IMHO, Lazylords are awesome. It's just that attacking warlords get better attack powers, and almost as good utilities. So non-lazy warlords are, in fact, better. Which, given how good lazylords can be, is in fact kinda scary)
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This. Int Warlords have great utilities at 2,6,10,16, and 22. And get stellar powers throughout. They're basically just an interestingish offshoot, than excelling legitimately in places a normal warlord cannot.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 11:09PM
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Warlord can hybrid well with a lot of things. Warlord|Ardent, Warlord|Bard, Warlord|Artificer etc. So its not just bards.
What hydralisk said is about half true, STR warlords aren't better for every group but better for many. And basically just take powers that don't require you to attack. Being a straight warlord will make you a little worse starting out because there aren't a lot of great dailies that don't require you to hit early on, but it will round itself out fairly quickly.
Edit: Question1 - Why does he ban hybrids? Question 2 - Why do you want to be lazy specifically?
1. The reason specifically he forbid hybrids was another player loves char oping too much and using builds that just make the game no fun like Warlock|Paladin Hellish Rebuke abuse and endless turn Avenger|Rangers.
2. We have a rather large party and I want to be useful for combat without being in the way or being a repeat of a class we already have.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 11:46PM
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The reason specifically he forbid hybrids was another player loves char oping too much and using builds that just make the game no fun like [...] Avenger|Rangers.
 Um, what the heck is an Avenger|Ranger getting you that a Ranger isn't? Free Morninglord qualifcation w/o the MC feat? But you've got to buy your AC back (with a divine MC one assumes) so that's not any ahead.
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