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Jan 02, 2013 - 7:54AM
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Option A: Kobolds linked with dragonblood family: dracoborn, dracotaurs, dracokins, draconians.......(and spellcalles?). Maybe goblinoid ancestors who got dragonblood traits like the spellcales from "Races of dragons". Option B: Kobolds linked with reptiliand humanoids: lizardfolk, troglodytes, urds, khaasta...  Option C: two subraces, one would be A and the other B. (and both hate each other). The kobolds´ jaw and snout should be like a reptilian badoon. Those too big nasal holes are too ridiculous. Is there any real world reptile with a snout like it? I would rather the AD&D reptilian ape.  * Some humanoid monsters should be designed to be nemesis or achenemy of some PC races. Goblins, kobolds and springans should be favorite antagonist of little PC races (halflings and gnomes). * Some DMs could say kobolds from their setting were a goblinoid comunity who were transformed by dragons (to use them like slaves) or some deity...or kobolds ancestors used magic to transform themself to survive, a softer version of prestige class disciple of dragon.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 7:58AM
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Option A: Kobolds linked with dragonblood family: dracoborn, dracotaurs, dracokins, draconians.......(and spellcalles?). Maybe goblinoid ancestors who got dragonblood traits like the spellcales from "Races of dragons".
Option B: Kobolds linked with reptiliand humanoids: lizardfolk, troglodytes, urds, khaasta...
I kinda like option B, where they are genetically related to lizards, but have racial delusions of grandeur and want to be related to dragons.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:11AM
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D&D doesn't need two dragon-kin races.
Why?
Because the range of dragon related creatures is over crowded in D&D and the total range of dragon/lizard/serpent related is even worse.
Plus, what makes Kobolds useful isn't dragon related. They are useful because they are wimpy, the race that even a 1st level character can take on when out numbered. When you make them dragon-kin, people start expecting them have dragon-like powers, and that gets in the way of their in game utility.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:17AM
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I'll add my voice to what a few others are saying, I really like the idea of kobolds being in the same "family" as Dragonborn. Further, I would like halflings to be included in the same family as humans. I don't think this would make much mechanical difference, but we have had the idea of monster families (gob, hobgob, bugbear) for a while now, and it always seemed to make a fair bit of sense.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:18AM
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D&D doesn't need two dragon-kin races.
Why?
Because the range of dragon related creatures is over crowded in D&D
...huh?
We've got dragons, and....dragonborn. And not kobolds, apparently.
What are all the others?
When you make them dragon-kin, people start expecting them have dragon-like powers
...huh?
Since when do all dragonkin have dragon-like powers? Why are people expecting that, particularly when it's very clearly explained that while they're related, they don't have nearly any of that awesomeness to them? That that's the point?
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:20AM
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It should be made clear that those of us in favor of a stronger kobold-dragon connection and a family of Dragonfolk that Lizardfolk and Dragonfolk are not the same thing.
That I agree with, if only because people who like Dragonfold and those that like Lizardfold tend to dislike them being associated with each other. There is enough space for both a lizard-folk and dragon-folk PC race, and both sides are happier if the two are no more related then lizards and dragons. Which is to say, very distantly but both legend and observation suggests that there is some connection somewhere even if it isn't clear which came first or how they are related.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:21AM
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See, I don't like the "missing link" connection between kobolds and lizardfolk, because it implies a more direct evolution. I would rather it be more branching, like how we humans are actually fairly closely related to lemurs, but the common ancestor is still a good ways back.
Well i can't do a good tree with just text. But yea, i think there should be some sort of connection both ways.
What if kobolds where the offspring of lizardfolk and dragonborn?
Thus more like...
Dragons -> missing link -> Dragonborn -> kobolds <- lizardfolk <- missing link <- newt.
I actually wouldn't mind if every creature (except far realm) was releated in some super tree. Though not really a tree, since there would be more then 1 start point. And lot's of inter-species mating and magic tinkering...
owl -> owlbear <- bear.
trent -> Gazeebo <- mimic <- ooze. 
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:22AM
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D&D doesn't need two dragon-kin races.
Why?
Because the range of dragon related creatures is over crowded in D&D and the total range of dragon/lizard/serpent related is even worse.
Psst.
Just because it's printed doesn't mean you have to use them, and even if you use them, you can re-skin them and change the lore any way you want.
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6 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 8:24AM
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change the lore any way you want.
Which would make any discussion of what lore in the books should be pretty worthless, in your opinion, along with this entire article series.
What's the point of your contribution here, beyond implying that none of what we're discussing is worth discussing?
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Jan 02, 2013 - 8:32AM
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To me the relationship is not important in the D&D game. The game could just leave it as vague and let each campaign flesh out the relationship.
The mechanics is the important thing that the gamemakers need to be worried about.
As someone who has played PC kobolds, dragonborn, and lizardfolk, I want all three as playable PC races. Leave their history out. I don't care how they are linked if it is going to bother some people.
I like reptilian races. I would rather have 3 reptiles than gnomes.
Cool races:
Drow, lizardfolk, minotaur, undead
Uncool races:
Half-elves, gnomes, half-orcs
If we must have hybrids, can we just have a mechanic for creating hybrids instead of making them a separate race?
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