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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:02PM #21
Krusk
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Use with caution generally means "We can't stop you from using this, but that was not the intention". 
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:11PM #22
Matyr
Date Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:02PM, Krusk wrote:

Use with caution generally means "We can't stop you from using this, but that was not the intention". 




Or... it means "use with caution".  It didn't even have that in there.  It said "within reason", which seems to imply "We don't think we made any of these characters overpowered, but if someone makes something overpowered don't let them use it."

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:16PM #23
Salla
Date Joined: Apr 3, 2003
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Yeah, 'use with caution' means, surprisingly enough, 'use with caution'.

Sometimes, things actually are EXACTLY what meets the eye.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:31PM #24
crzyhawk
Date Joined: Nov 6, 2010
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Really the biggest reason to not use them is the lack of support for them.  I can't think of any of those races that would be over powered and unbalancing.  As for the OP, if I were going to make a duergar, I'd probably make some sort of melee cleric focused on wis powers, or maybe a con based warlock.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:34PM #25
Salla
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Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:31PM, crzyhawk wrote:

Really the biggest reason to not use them is the lack of support for them.  I can't think of any of those races that would be over powered and unbalancing. 




Well, anything with Oversized is certainly questionable.

Lack of support may or may not be an issue.  I certainly never cared; I was playing Shifters and Warforged long before the Eberron Campaign Setting or the PHB2.

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:37PM #26
Centauri
Date Joined: Jul 21, 2004
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Any class would work fine. Since you're choosing duergar because you like it, pick the class because you like it, not because it would make an optimal character with a duergar. It's not necessary to optimize, especially in 4th Edition.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 2:37PM #27
crzyhawk
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Oh I understand exactly what you mean.  I was playing drow rangers before I heard of Drizzt too.  I was really disappointed when I found out that not only was my idea /not/ original, it had spawned a legion of fanboys.

Fortunately, I've never been a fan of scimitars so, /that/ at least should never be a problem.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 30, 2012 - 9:47PM #28
TheForgottenCommand
Date Joined: Aug 28, 2011
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I wouldn't say fighter is a terrible choice. Not optimized sure, but not terrible. They have two ability score secondaries and darkvision. That's at least something. A duergar sorcerer or blackguard? Maybe not a good idea.

I would recommend Warlock myself, a lot of racial fluff with that if you're interested. If you like a class concept but are less optimized for the pick, just pick something close and reskin it. A good DM adjusts to his players capabilities however, so don't worry over it much.

Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:37PM, crzyhawk wrote:

Fortunately, I've never been a fan of scimitars so, /that/ at least should never be a problem.




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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 4:34PM #29
crzyhawk
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I'm just going to pretend its the katana fanbois, meeting the wheel of time fanbois that inspire so many curved blades.

can you imagine if Salvatorre would have put katanas in Drizzt's hands?  /facepalm
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 5:36PM #30
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It is nearly impossible to make a bad character in 4e unless you really try. Some combinations and options are less optimal than others.
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