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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 7:09AM
#11
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Date Joined:
Dec 21, 2012
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I agree, the human bonuses are flavorless in my opinion. There are so many kinds and they can create something that gives bonuses/feats depending on the type of human to create flavor. I mean with halflings as a race of nomads they were able to come up with something for them...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 7:16AM
#12
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I guess imagination is dead. Humans have always been the weak sauce in D&D and I like it that way.
"I sense your fear... It flows from you like a mighty river."
Darth Jerrod too Kyrr Starhopper
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 11:16AM
#13
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I don't mind the +1 to everything. I really don't like the +2 bonus to one stat though. I would also like the race to have a more flavorful ability, and/or the ability to trade out a +1 bonus to one of their stats for something else (that is more flavorful).
I could live with that: +1 all, no +2. The option to keep one +1 and swap out the others seems fine too.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 12:09PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 15, 2009
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Besides, humanity should also have the largest range of attributes, thus allowing for low scores as well.
I don't see why this should particularly be the case for adventurers.
<Ioun> they're apparently making a MolIsCool pp
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 3:59PM
#15
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Dec 10, 2010
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I guess imagination is dead. Humans have always been the weak sauce in D&D and I like it that way.
I agree, that`s not my problem at all! My problem is that I just roled up three characters, and after the adjustments from all the bonuses, every single one of them fealt way too good! 17 and 18 doesn`t feal any special anymore(just like in 4e), that I can live with as 19 and 20 can be the new 17 and 18, what bothers me is that I don`t have a single score under 10! It`s no fun playing a damn character without any flaws, who is powerful from the get go. I want to be crap at something!! That is fun to play! Something to overcome, being a hero and overcoming dangers and challanges despite being dumb or weak. Perfect is dull, Mary Sue characters are bland and boring!
I know, I know!!! Before you start saying I can role up more characters untill I`m "weak enough" or that I can ask my dm to have a lower score or that ability scores don`t have to mean much when it comes to roleplaying and I can have other rp character flaws, I KNOW! I just don`t want this powergamer mentality to be the standard, that you have to have high scores to have fun!
Don`t get me wrong, I love the lates editions, especialy as a dm! But in the character department I have felt they have been a bit.... EXTREME!
The most fun I ever had as a player was in ad&d 2nd ed where you started out weak and careful, then it meant something to level up, getting stronger and stronger. You didn`t start out as a superhero, you became a superhero, you became EXTREME! if you are a strong and tough hero to begin with, why have levels? Only for the mechanics?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 4:12PM
#16
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Aug 22, 2007
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The +1 to everything won't be as much of a problem if the other races got more.
The idea that adventuring human has the same or more constitution than an adventuring hill dwarf is settling.
Orzel, Halfelven son of Zel, Mystic Ranger, Bane to Dragons, Death to Undeath, Killer of Abyssals, King of the Wilds.
Constitution Based Class for Next!
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 4:27PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2010
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The +1 to everything won't be as much of a problem if the other races got more.
The idea that adventuring human has the same or more constitution than an adventuring hill dwarf is settling.
The other races get a lot more, the have race features..Why couldn`t a hardy human can of course be as healthy and tough as any dwarf.
Anyways, I`m not talking about balance here..
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 4:27PM
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Nov 13, 2001
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For me it's never about power gaming. I was never good at the amazing min/max stuff of the past. However there is a huge difference in power gaming and simply feeling your char is balanced to the others.
For those of you that roll well. Great. Good for you. However in my case I rolled a Human and ended up with the worse stats after adding them. Now sure I can role play the based off his weak stats but what if I want to feel my char is a force that is equal to the others in our group? At this point the non-humans get all the extras plus they have better stats.
Another concern of mine from a balance point is that people always say +1 to con is equal to the dwarf getting a bigger die. Well no. it's not. because that dwarf will also have the max in con before long. Now how does a dwarf 20 con and a human 20 con balance??
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 5:10PM
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May 27, 2012
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It kind of bothers me that the average human is stronger than any other race that's not especially known for its strength. Humans are supposed to be the baseline against which the other races are compared, since... you know ... they're the only ones with whom we have real-life basis.
So, we all know what a human is. Dwarves can be defined as being less strong, less personable, less numble, and less intelligent than that. Elves can be defined as being less strong, less tough, less perceptive, and less personable than humans.
It kind of makes everyone seem really lame.
The metagame is not the game.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 29, 2012 - 5:23PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 22, 2012
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For me it's never about power gaming. I was never good at the amazing min/max stuff of the past. However there is a huge difference in power gaming and simply feeling your char is balanced to the others.
For those of you that roll well. Great. Good for you. However in my case I rolled a Human and ended up with the worse stats after adding them. Now sure I can role play the based off his weak stats but what if I want to feel my char is a force that is equal to the others in our group? At this point the non-humans get all the extras plus they have better stats.
Another concern of mine from a balance point is that people always say +1 to con is equal to the dwarf getting a bigger die. Well no. it's not. because that dwarf will also have the max in con before long. Now how does a dwarf 20 con and a human 20 con balance??
well for one thing, ABILITY wise and not just attribute, the dwarf that gets a con bonus ALSO has a bigger die each level
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