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Dec 27, 2012 -- 11:21AM, ZaranBlack wrote:

I've looked at the weapon list and frankly I think it's terrible.  A katana weighs 3 lbs but requires two hands.  A bastard sword weighs 10 lbs but I can wield it in one hand.    To me the only difference between these two swords is the location where they are made.   A few of these weapons have head scratching costs and stats that I think are arbitrary just to make them different from each other.  For instance, there is no damage difference between a Flail and a Warhammer  but they have differing weights and costs.    One would think that a Flail would be able to avoid Shields easier or be able to disarm a foe better than a Warhammer.   One would think that a warhammer knock someone prone with a skill blow.  


So what I propose is to have Maneuvers made that are specific to a certain weapon.   You don't need to learn anything new.  Just be proficient with the weapon and have the Combat Expertise dice to use the maneuvers.  Maneuvers can be such like Disarm for Whips or Flails, Parry for Main-Gauches or Sai's, Block for Quarterstaves, Etc.  


This way someone who likes using a specific weapon gets more out of it and the weapon matters more throughout the character's life.

I love this if it's fighter specific.
More maneuvers for fighters. A tangible advantage they have with weapons, without getting mixed up in bonus bloat or trap feats. Weapons feel different, but mostly in the hands of a truly masterful warrior.
It doesn't make the whole game more complicated, it just gives one small ability to one class that is weapon dependent.
Obviously, these could carry through to being enemy abilities too. It also works cleanly with multi-classing.

Of course, then, people would get mad if the weapons weren't balanced... we'd have these fights about, "Why would I use X when it's the same weight, cost and whatever but with a worse maneuver" of course... those people would have never been happy anyway.

On the other hand, maybe you could make it a thing where every few levels the fighter can CHOOSE a SINGLE weapon catagory to gain this feat in and by level 20 it's nearly all of them or something. That might be smoother and less overwhelming. Like, starting at level 2 or 3 you gain a Weapon Focus maneuver in addition to your normal ones. 

Dec 27, 2012 -- 11:21AM, ZaranBlack wrote:

I've looked at the weapon list and frankly I think it's terrible.  A katana weighs 3 lbs but requires two hands.  A bastard sword weighs 10 lbs but I can wield it in one hand.    To me the only difference between these two swords is the location where they are made.   A few of these weapons have head scratching costs and stats that I think are arbitrary just to make them different from each other.  For instance, there is no damage difference between a Flail and a Warhammer  but they have differing weights and costs.    One would think that a Flail would be able to avoid Shields easier or be able to disarm a foe better than a Warhammer.   One would think that a warhammer knock someone prone with a skill blow.  


So what I propose is to have Maneuvers made that are specific to a certain weapon.   You don't need to learn anything new.  Just be proficient with the weapon and have the Combat Expertise dice to use the maneuvers.  Maneuvers can be such like Disarm for Whips or Flails, Parry for Main-Gauches or Sai's, Block for Quarterstaves, Etc.  


This way someone who likes using a specific weapon gets more out of it and the weapon matters more throughout the character's life.

/agree with suggestion.

one handed weapon 10lbs???

haha

a twohanded is useless with that weight...

Its funny you mention this, A few weeks ago I put a sticky note over the weapons description.

Off hand (-4 to hit) or thrown melee: 1d4  Range: 2”,4”,6”

One handed weapon: 1d6 inside, 1d8 outside

2 handed w/ reach: 1d6

2handed: 1d8 inside, 1d10 outside

I get nothing from bent and broken attempts to give each weapon “character” and “individual mechanical feel”. Having streamlined the weapons table to this extent it would be nice to have something to differentiate the different methods of stab, crush, and break.

I was thinking like exploding dice for certain weapons, or a stun effect, or multiple target attack. What are some of your ideas for these feats?

Dec 27, 2012 -- 12:49PM, Mand12 wrote:

Dec 27, 2012 -- 12:45PM, ZaranBlack wrote:

I see no reason for it needing to be fighter only.

This gets said about anything that is proposed to give to fighters.  Eventually you just have to accept it.  Why?

Because fighters.

Well now, I generally defend the fighter's right to have nice things, but I have to agree that this shouldn't be a fighter thing.  The OP's suggestion makes weapon choice more interesting without changing the effectiveness of each weapon as a weapon (which is determined solely by damage).  I also don't think it should be tied to expertise dice.  However, I am in favor of the maneuvers being more effective if you spend expertise dice on them (kind of like the riders from 4e).