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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 9:03AM
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May 30, 2011
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Hello
I have a question about how wotc handles new versions of D&D in relation to the old version...
Will they support 4e rules after the release of the 5th edition? If so how much? Will they release more content?
How long is the standard run of a D&D version?
The reason why I am concerened is because I have dropped well over a grand or more on most of the 4th ed books and soon found out that a 5th edition is in the works. I have played rolemaster / harp games for years but in the last year or so switched to 4th ed willing to try it out and for the sure amount of material out there. I would at least like to get some 4e support after 5th release because now days I do not have loads of time to put together a game. If wotc drops all support I will be hard pressed to buy the books for 5th ed like I did for 4th edition, because the "waste of money" for un-supported books. Yes we can keep using the 4th books, but keep in mind that I im coming from the extra support (by way of adventures and other type materials..) you get with the edition not the ability to play the edition....any thoughts on how others are going to make the switch....
Thanks
Ron
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 11:10AM
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WotC will not create additional material for 4e once 5e is released. They aren't even releasing any new material for it now. They did not release any further 3e material prior to 4e's release, and they will not release any further 4e material now that 5e is in the works.
4e's run was shorter than typical because Hasbro bought WotC, and they have utterly unrealistic saves requirements for an RPG product. Instead of changing their expectations to something reasonable, they demanded WotC release a new version.
tl;dr - 4e fans have been thrown under a bus.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 12:20PM
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It's not 100% sure they won't do anything for 4e, but that is the way to bet, and we are likely talking 99%. Now there is a chance 5e will prove a disaster and they will put out some 4e stuff just to have something to sell, but it's more likely they will actively try to destroy 4e in the hope 4e fans will convert to 5e.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 1:00PM
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No- sadly 4th is dead. Pretty much means I will not support D&D Next.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 1:10PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 11, 2012
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How easy is it to adapt the older material(4E and older), and the newer material(Next and newer), to fit in a 4E game?
My bro is DMing a game using the 4E system, and if they've stopped making stuff for 4E, I'm hoping older and newer material can be adapted for use in the 4E system.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 2:08PM
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Will they support 4e rules after the release of the 5th edition?
They aren't offering any suport for the 4e rules now, a year before the release of 5e. I would not expect them to do any 4e support after the release. (At least not until 6e, when they try to reunite the lost customers by making a 4e clone and calling it a new edition.)
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 4:37PM
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How easy is it to adapt the older material(4E and older), and the newer material(Next and newer), to fit in a 4E game?
It usually isn't difficult; take the concept and come up with a 4E implementation. Most material can be ported without trouble theme-wise, with mechanical elements being revised or rewritten (or in some cases dropped entirely) along the way.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 4:59PM
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Sep 18, 2012
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No- sadly 4th is dead.
I am so sick and tired of hearing that phrase. The system is not 'dead' simply because the company isn't putting out any new material. It's only dead if it's no longer played.
Pretty much means I will not support D&D Next.
I won't fault you this, though. While I'm trying to keep an open mind, the more I read about Next... The less I really want to play it.
Something similar happened with Essentials: I heard about it, was interested and I remained... let's say "hopefully optimistic." Not expecting it to be great, but not expecting it to be bad, either. Then I got a hold of one of the books and was still disappointed.
Which is a shame, really. The last thing I want is to become one of those "The new edition is TERRIBLE!" kinds of fans that decry every new addition to the franchise. But I started with 2e, which I liked, though some of the rules give me a headache to this day. While playing 2e, I discovered 3.5 (yeah, I skipped 3.0, funny how that worked out) and loved it even more than 2e, though I was disappointed by power imbalances between the classes. Then 4e comes out and I was pretty much in love from the moment I picked up the PHB1 and I started getting my collection together.
...So in essence: I'm waiting for the actual release of 5e before I pass my final judgment, but I can certainly understand why someone wouldn't want to move on... Of course, no one should have to move on. I still like 2e and 3.5, even though 4e is my favorite system these days. I'm just trying to keep an open mind, because I think everyone should keep an open mind.
I apologize, that turned into a rant, didn't it?
Gunmage, a homebrew arcane striker. (Heroic Tier playtest ready.) GDocs link. (More up to date.)
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 5:22PM
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I think the best we can hope for with the future of 4e is that Wizards gives it a good sendoff. Unfortunately, I think it is much more likely that they will be indifferent at best to 4e fans, and at worst, actively hostile in order to "persuade" us to switch.
What I would like to see is Wizards fill in the holes in 4e, let players download the tools (compendium, character builder, Dragon, etc.) for a one-time fee, and let the community take it and run with it when i comes to new content.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 26, 2012 - 6:09PM
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Jul 23, 2008
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No- sadly 4th is dead.
I am so sick and tired of hearing that phrase. The system is not 'dead' simply because the company isn't putting out any new material. It's only dead if it's no longer played.
Pretty much means I will not support D&D Next.
I won't fault you this, though. While I'm trying to keep an open mind, the more I read about Next... The less I really want to play it.
Something similar happened with Essentials: I heard about it, was interested and I remained... let's say "hopefully optimistic." Not expecting it to be great, but not expecting it to be bad, either. Then I got a hold of one of the books and was still disappointed.
Which is a shame, really. The last thing I want is to become one of those "The new edition is TERRIBLE!" kinds of fans that decry every new addition to the franchise. But I started with 2e, which I liked, though some of the rules give me a headache to this day. While playing 2e, I discovered 3.5 (yeah, I skipped 3.0, funny how that worked out) and loved it even more than 2e, though I was disappointed by power imbalances between the classes. Then 4e comes out and I was pretty much in love from the moment I picked up the PHB1 and I started getting my collection together.
...So in essence: I'm waiting for the actual release of 5e before I pass my final judgment, but I can certainly understand why someone wouldn't want to move on... Of course, no one should have to move on. I still like 2e and 3.5, even though 4e is my favorite system these days. I'm just trying to keep an open mind, because I think everyone should keep an open mind.
I apologize, that turned into a rant, didn't it?
You can get as sick as you want or stick your head in the sand- 4th is dead. There will no longer be any releases from Wizards for 4th. I don't need for you to point out stupid obvious statements- of course people are still going to play 4th and it will live on. However, to cater to your sensitive frame of mind- 4th is dead as far as releases are concerned.
4th is DEAD
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