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5 months ago ::
Jan 01, 2013 - 2:10PM
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Also if I may add my own two cents to this dicussion I have a account on rpgstack exchange a Q&A site for RPG's and one of it's features is that you can see how manny questions are asked for different systems:
4E: 1251
But how many of those are people asking "what's the difference between 4e and Essentials?"
Love 4e? Concerned about its future? Join the Old Guard of 4e"You want The Tooth? You can't handle The Tooth!" - Dahlver-Nar. "If magic is unrestrained in the campaign, D&D quickly degenerates into a weird wizard show where players get bored quickly" - E. Gary Gygax
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5 months ago ::
Jan 01, 2013 - 2:50PM
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Also if I may add my own two cents to this dicussion I have a account on rpgstack exchange a Q&A site for RPG's and one of it's features is that you can see how manny questions are asked for different systems:
4E: 1251
But how many of those are people asking "what's the difference between 4e and Essentials?"
Oh ho ho a lot from what I imagine but al those questions are closed by mods and a link is given to the first question to keep down redundancy, now how to count them that's tricky because I think the "essentials" tag is a synonym for "dnd-4E" tag so I don't see separate statistics.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 02, 2013 - 4:00PM
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Dungeon and Dragon won't be supporting 4th edition material once DDN comes out - I cannot see how that would not be the case, since it would be "furthering the edition split" and contradictive to everything they're doing (or trying to do) as well as sales. 4e DDI may or may not continue to be hosted by WotC. If it is, it won't be worth it. Monthly subscription to a static database? No. The bigger question is if DDI will go single-purchase or not (I'll be honest here, I'd pay as much as $30USD for a full copy of the entire compendium with character builder and monster builder support - but I also honestly think anybody with a DDI subscriber account should get it for free or nearly free). If they do, great - I think this would be the logical way of squeezing out the last money you would see from 4e sales/subscriptions. (content removed) EDIT: Advocating piracy is against the CoC. http://company.wizards.com/conduct
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ORC_Loche
on Jan 02, 2013 - 04:43PM
Want the tl;dr of my posts? Read the bold text; I put it there to highlight the main points for ease of skimming.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 9:17AM
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I won't mind paying additional bucks for single-purchasing DDI tools, although giving them away for free to people who have been supporting -as in paying- DDI for years would be a good PR mode. Then again, with WotC showing nothing more than it despises 4e fans, I'd doubt they have any true PR professional working for them.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 10:23AM
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As long as Pathfinder/Paizo is selling well D&D is in no danger of being shelved. Hasbro simiply cannot afford to let Paizo have such an advantage without competition for so long. If D&D got shelved now it wouldn't be able to break back into the market in ten years when Pathfinder is the thing that people look at for D&D.
Next will probably flop, but even then it won't be the end of D&D, and it certainly won't end with the brand being shelved. Hasbro isn't that dumb.
As for 4E and continued support? Yeah I wouldn't expect any kind of online tools to survive to the Next release.
Things that 5E needs to do:
-Make the use of battlemaps/miniatures the default.
-Make healing fun, magical AND non-magical needs to be an option. Long live the Warlord!
-Make magic items feel magic/mythical. I don't want a dagger +1, I want STING.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 10:54AM
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As long as Pathfinder/Paizo is selling well D&D is in no danger of being shelved.
Logic fault.
For the sake of simplicity and a shorter post, let's remove a lot of economic theory and zeros and boil things down to their most basic element.
Hasbro can spend 100 dollars developing a new set of D&D rules. Hasbro can then reap the rewards of $400 in sales (while their competitor snags $600 of the total $1000 that represents all the money to be made in RPG sales).
OR
Hasbro can spend 100 dollars developing a new set of Magic: the Gathering. Hasbro can then reap the rewards of $1000 dollars in sales (while their competitor...oh, right. Pokem-, I guess, or...uhm...Yu-...wait...uhm..."that other popular CCG"?).
Hasbro can then do that again very, very shortly thereafter because CCGs do better when you're constantly releasing new editions or expansions (whereas really, all you need to play D&D are the core three books - or compendium, PHB1, and DMG1 and maybe a DDI account).
Hasbro has little to no reason to not simply shelve the D&D title, save it for video games or other high-reward ventures (or even just wait for people to pay Hasbro to use the name in -their- video games, movies, books, whatever) if it's not making enough money. This is why we're seeing DDN so soon after 4e is released - they need to spike sales so Hasbro can see that D&D is a big money-making name (only in the grand scheme of things, compared to other toys, video games, card games, movies, etc it's really not that big of a money maker).
DDN is actually very much so at risk of being the last edition of D&D (unless Hasbro is willing to just sell the name off...).
Want the tl;dr of my posts? Read the bold text; I put it there to highlight the main points for ease of skimming.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 1:09PM
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As long as Pathfinder/Paizo is selling well D&D is in no danger of being shelved. Hasbro simiply cannot afford to let Paizo have such an advantage without competition for so long. If D&D got shelved now it wouldn't be able to break back into the market in ten years when Pathfinder is the thing that people look at for D&D.
Next will probably flop, but even then it won't be the end of D&D, and it certainly won't end with the brand being shelved. Hasbro isn't that dumb.
As for 4E and continued support? Yeah I wouldn't expect any kind of online tools to survive to the Next release.
That's assuming that Hasbro wants to do an RPG ever gain at all. They'd just abandon the whole segment as not worth their time
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 3:02PM
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I'm not too worry about lack of support. Yes it could be difficult for new players to get involved since the books are out of print. My campaign hasn't gotten to paragon level yet. I still have some third party products I'd like get and try. I'm willing to try DDN although I'm not that interested in buying the books on release.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 4:33PM
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Has there been an official announcement that the Builder and the other tools will be discontinued? If there has been I would like to know. I would also like to know where I can sign the petition to either keep it available with a paid subscription or put it out as a DVD set so those of us who have no interest in 5E or any other incarnation of it can still make our characters. Please consider this a request if an official happens to read this ;-}
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5 months ago ::
Jan 03, 2013 - 4:56PM
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Has there been an official announcement that the Builder and the other tools will be discontinued?
No, not yet.
However, given that to leave it up incentivizes fans of 4e to not migrate to Next like the dutiful customers that WotC wants, it's pretty much 99.99% certain that the Compendium and Character Builder will be discontinued prior to or shortly after Next's launch.
Download those Dragon PDFs now!
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