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Jan 11, 2013 -- 9:30AM, MrCustomer wrote:

This from the person who thinks "can" can mean "can't"?

Blather on my friend, You misquoted the FAQ on weapon sizes and claimed it was based on the Official Rules update. I am asking you to show me that update on weapons sizes. An official update must exist for the FAQ to use it

The Official rule is that when 2 official sources disagree, the "actual rules text" of the primary source is the correct Official Rule.

So again, show the official update to the weapon size rules.  

How do reach weapons work if they are of a different
size than the creature wielding them? Say, an ogre wielding
a Small or Medium glaive, or a human with the Monkey
Grip feat wielding a Large ranseur? What is the reach for
each situation?

A reach weapon doubles its wielder’s natural reach, but
only if the weapon is at least of an appropriate size for the
wielder. Wielding a “too-small” reach weapon grants no reach.
An ogre (Large) wielding a Medium or smaller reach
weapon gains no reach from the weapon, and could thus attack
foes either 5 feet or 10 feet distant (as normal for a Large
creature wielding a non-reach weapon).
A human (Medium) wielding a Large or larger reach
weapon could attack a creature 10 feet away (but no further),
and could not use the weapon to attack a creature 5 feet away
(as normal for a Medium creature wielding a reach weapon). A
human wielding a Small reach weapon would gain no reach
from the weapon.
The PH isn’t as clear on this as it could be, although an
example of reach in action on page 113 in the PH provides
pretty strong support: “A typical Large character wielding a
reach weapon of the appropriate size can attack a creature 15 or
20 feet away . . .” [italics added]. While this reference doesn’t
mention the ability to wield a reach weapon larger than the
appropriate size, allowing such a weapon to grant reach to its
wielder is a reasonable extension of the spirit and intent of the
rule.

Exactly when is a weapon light, one-handed, and twohanded?
And when do you take the –2 penalty for using a
weapon of the wrong size? How does the system of weapon
sizes work with exotic weapons such as the bastard sword
and dwarven waraxe, which are one-handed exotic
weapons, but two-handed martial weapons? If my dwarf
wants to use a dwarven waraxe in one hand, how big a
dwarven waraxe can she wield? Suppose my dwarf wants to
fight with two weapons and use a dwarven waraxe as a light
weapon in her off hand. How big a dwarven waraxe can she
use then?

When you’re talking strictly about a weapon’s size (as
opposed to how one uses the weapon, see the previous
question), the designations light, one-handed, and two-handed
depend on the kind of weapon and on the size of the wielder for
which the weapon was made. According to page 113 in the PH,
a weapon has a size category, such as Small, Medium, or
Large, that indicates the intended wielder’s size. So, a Medium
longsword is a longsword made for a Medium wielder. When a
weapon’s size category matches the wielder’s size, Table 7–5
shows whether it is light, one-handed, or two-handed for that
wielder. When the intended wielder and the actual wielder
aren’t the same size, you have to compare the two creature
sizes to determine how the actual user can wield the weapon. If
the actual user is much bigger or smaller than the intended user,
she can’t use the weapon at all. The Weapon and Wielder Size
table shows weapon sizes vs. user sizes.
For example, a frost giant (a Huge creature) collects a
greataxe, a warhammer, and a light hammer made for a dwarf
(a Medium creature). The greataxe is a two-handed weapon for
the dwarf, but the giant treats it as a light weapon. The giant
suffers a –4 penalty when using the greataxe. The giant cannot
use the warhammer (a one-handed weapon for the dwarf) or the
light hammer (a light weapon for the dwarf).
For the example character to wield a dwarven waraxe as a
light weapon, the waraxe would have to be made for a Tiny
character, and the dwarf would have a –4 attack penalty.
As noted in the previous question, you can decide to wield
a one-handed weapon in two hands and get the benefits of a
two-handed weapon in combat. To do so, the weapon has to be
designated a one-handed weapon for you. The giant in the
previous example could not get two-handed weapon damage
with the dwarf’s greataxe because that weapon is a light
weapon for the giant.
The bastard sword, lance, and dwarven waraxe are all twohanded
weapons that can be used in one hand under the correct
circumstances (the bastard sword and dwarven waraxe are
shown on Table 7–5 as one-handed exotic weapons, but they’re
really two-handed weapons). Treat all three of these weapons
as two-handed weapons when determining who can use them
and how. For example, a Small character cannot use a lance or
bastard sword made for a Medium creature, even when
mounted (in the case of a lance) or when the Small character
has the Exotic Weapon Proficiency (bastard sword) feat.

Jan 11, 2013 -- 11:59AM, MrCustomer wrote:

That is the FAQ Oma, now if FAQ is based upon Official rules then it is refering to an official rule.

Where are the "actual rules text" for the rule that the FAQ is using and refering to? What source is the FAQ using?

again

This version of the D&D FAQ uses the 3.5 revision of the core rules and also contains questions covering material from a variety of books (such as SS and EL).

Jan 11, 2013 -- 12:26PM, MrCustomer wrote:

Thank you Oma.

Primary Source Material then is the 3.5 Player's Handbook, revised core rules, which contains the actual rules text.

sorry for you but the FQA never contradicts a rule because dont have rules, it have the Official way of use the rule, then is the same rule of the 3.5 player's Handbook and a official way of use it.

Jan 11, 2013 -- 12:50PM, MrCustomer wrote:

Oma, the reason there is the Primary Source rule is because rules from different Official sources do in fact contradict each other on occasion. If the FAQ and the Primary Source contradict each other then the primary source (PHB) is seen as correct. They have that rule because THEY DO MAKE MISTAKES!

This is important because even if the FAQ is correct, it is not a FAQ about Monkey Grip, so in that context it's "interpretation" of the rules can be wrong in context to a different question and easily taken out of context.   


Additionally, the FAQ you quoted does not in fact contradict the PHB. Your interpretation of it is what is incorrect. 

yes is true but say that the rules of Weapons try to say that any creature can use other kind of weapon with a penalty but with a category as a weapon of her size

as example the Ogre can use the Medium Gread Sword as a Large One Handed Weapon.

This don't break any rule only say what the rule try to say this.

under this if this weapon is still a large one handed weapon then a creature with monky grip can use it as well with the same restriction

Oma, None of that entre says anything that it doesn't say in the PHB. You've got it stuck in Your head that it says something different, But it says the same Damned thing. 

The Ogre can "use" a Medium Greatsword as a 1-Handed Weapon, But that doesn't make it a Large 1-handed Weapon. It is still a Medium Greatsword, that the Ogre is wielding as a 1-handed weapon, that is why he is taking a -2 penalty for using it.

In addition if the Ogre is using a Medium 2-handed Reach Weapon  as noted in the FAQ below, He doesn't get the reach from that weapon. Because a Medium Longspear wielded by a Large Order, is still a medium Longspear.


Monkey Grip is very specific in saying Larger Weapons, which is also clearly defined in your FAQ,    

"According to page 113 in the PH, a weapon has a size category, such as Small, Medium, or Large, that indicates the intended wielder’s size. So, a Medium longsword is a longsword made for a Medium wielder."*
   *^{incidentally the FAQ here just stated the PHB as the primary source material and actual rules text but I digress.}

You didn't need the FAQ, it refers you directly to where it says it in page 113 of the Players Handbook. The above Ogre is wielding a GreatSword made for a Medium Wielder.

When Monkey Grips says you can use a Larger Weapons, it is refering to a Weapon intended for a Larger sized wielder, which the user can use with no change in effort.

ie a Medium character with Monkey Grip could use a Large Greatsword with no change in effort (ie as a Large 2-handed Weapon)   
  
Monkey Grip would not work on the Medium GreatSword because it is NOT a Large weapon.

As well as it being a 2-handed weapon he would wield it with no change in effort, meaning he would still wield it as a 2-handed weapon, so again the Monkey Grip feat would do nothing for him.

Note that Monkey Grip does not let you wield a weapon as if you were one size larger. It allows you to wield a weapon, "one size category larger" The above Medium GreatSword is still a Medium weapon and only Large weapons qualify for this feat.