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Jan 4, 2013 -- 9:36AM, MrCustomer wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 8:52AM, Oma012 wrote:

the rule say that the weapon category is changed based in the size of the wielder

Not quite Oma, what the FAQ says is the same as what the core rules say, nothing is changed, so you are quoting an irrelevant source. The FAQ also suggests a couple of things that are technically wrong, such as a medium creature wielding a large weapon and still getting the reach of the large creature, that "reasonable interpretation" is still technically wrong.

The Monkey Grip feat allows a character to wield a large sword as it is normally wielded, with no change in effort (thus a medium creature can wield a large 1-handed weapon as a 1-handed weapon) Nothing in the FAQ there changes how Monkey Grip functions. The Feat overwrites the general rule.

sorry but the FQA say that any creature can't gain more reach that the standard because the definition of reach are "double your standard reach" then a medium creature always gain a reach of 10 fts with any weapon and the rule say too that if you are using a smaller reach weapon this loss her reach ability.

then how you can use a large long sword in one hand if that sword is a two handed weapon and the feat don't change the effort to use it????

Jan 4, 2013 -- 10:25AM, MrCustomer wrote:

Oma, under the normal rules a creature attempting to use a larger weapon has to use more effort. Thus a larger 1-handed weapon requires more effort and must be used 2-handed.

With the feat the creature can use a larger weapon without using more effort to do so, thus a larger 1-handed weapon is still a 1-handed weapon. The effort doesn't change.

This is confirmed again in the Strong Arm bracers that use Monkey Grip,  "When wearing strongarm bracers, you can wield weapons as if you were one size category larger than normal"

Again using larger weapons without changing the effort needed, in this case it has reworded it to mean the same thing "as if you were one size larger" with them (or the feat) a large sized 1-handed weapon is still a 1-handed weapon to a medium creature. It would also allow a medium creature to wield a large 2-handed weapon.

1- The effort don't change??? then is still a 2 handed weapon instead of one handed weapon??? because the effot make her category????. the effort speak about the -2 for using a weapon that not is for your size not the category.

2- then with thats strong arms you can use a longspear as an one handed weapon like if you were one size category larger, and the feat is the same and dont stack.

3- yes its right and the rules say that a medium longspear is a one-handed weapon for a large creature then you can use a longspear as a one handed weapon.

Jan 4, 2013 -- 1:38PM, MrCustomer wrote:

Oma, the effort is described in the rules, the effort to use a 1-handed weapon is with 1 handed weapon.  When a medium creature uses a Large 1-handed weapon, the effort changes, they have to use more effort, that is with 2 hands.

What you describe in the normal rules, a 1-handed becoming a 1-handed weapon. That is a change in effort.


With the feat no effort is changed, so a large 1-hander remains a 1-hander. It uses the same effort (1 hand) to wield. 
  
3: More specifically the rule says that an improvised weapon takes a penelty. So a Large creature can use a medium longspear 1-handed with an accumulative -2 penelty.

The Feat only applies to weapons that are a larger size category. It is still a weapon of inapropriate size for a large creature, it is a medium weapon used by a large creature.

Even if you used this feat in this manner for the Medium creature to then use this longsword as a 1-handed weapon he would take an accumulative penelty of -2 again. That is a total penelty of -4.

It however is still not a "large weapon" in the hands of a large sized creature. It is an imapropriately sized weapon in the hands of a larger creature. It is stilll a medium 2-handed weapon and the feat doesn't change the effort it uses (it remains a 2-handed weapon with the feat)


  

1- ok we are agree in this, the one handed weapon still is a one handed weapon with the feat but this rule is changed in the FQA (the effort rule is changed)

2-
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all.

ok this rule dont let a medium creature use the longspear as one handed weapon because dont exist any category of difference. but again the effort is changed in the FQA.

but at last under the rules if you use the item Strongarm bracers from Magic Item Compendium p.139 you can use it as one handed weapon with -2 penalty, and the FQA say that this ability and any other like powerful build and monky grip are the SAME and dont stack each other.

Jan 4, 2013 -- 4:59PM, MrCustomer wrote:

1: no Oma, the effort rule int he FAQ is the same, you just have a wierd interpretation of the english language

2: Again, the FAQ changes nothing as it says exactly the same damn thing. The FAQ explains EXISTING rules, it does not create new rules.

explain how use the rules like the one of monky grip and other similar special abilities and about weapons size category.

Jan 7, 2013 -- 8:28AM, draco1119 wrote:

Jan 7, 2013 -- 8:14AM, Oma012 wrote:

Jan 4, 2013 -- 4:59PM, MrCustomer wrote:

1: no Oma, the effort rule int he FAQ is the same, you just have a wierd interpretation of the english language

2: Again, the FAQ changes nothing as it says exactly the same damn thing. The FAQ explains EXISTING rules, it does not create new rules.

explain how use the rules like the one of monky grip and other similar special abilities and about weapons size category.

We have explained it.  Repeatedly.  We've quoted them verbatim, we've paraphrased them, we've linked them, and we've given you page numbers so you could look them up yourself.  You have clung to your interpretation the entire time, because FAQ, which isn't rules, and is often known to be wrong.  I gave up a week ago.  I'm surprised others are still willing to let you troll them with your willful ignorance.

the FQA is official ways to how to use the rules.