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Dec 22, 2012 -- 8:01PM, Slagger_the_Chuul wrote:

I would generally assume that the DM isn't running his game at kiddy grade where the enemies have their brains turned off; my usual response to players asking about such things is to ask them if they're happy for their enemies to have access to the same trick.

I totally agree with you, and if my DM ask that to me i would say YES! MWUAHAHAHA, just kidding.

Dec 22, 2012 -- 8:04PM, Tempest_Stormwind wrote:

It was mentioned nearly as fast as the book came out, then no one touched it (probably because it took all the challenge away). I think the Phaerimm were used in a couple challenges, but none immediately spring to mind.

EDIT: Another good example of this kind of thing is the Shaedling in the MM5. Tsuyoshikentsu found it and quickly found that it could create anything (up to and including artifacts) that was under 15 pounds, despite having a reasonably low ECL. This is ludicrously overpowered - and no one ever touched them again.

Speaking of, Vincent, I'm not sure if you were around earlier (your join date suggests otherwise but I seem to recall your name from a long time ago...), but the Omniscificer was a response to Pun-Pun (and probably about the point when everyone learned that anything that anyone can do, Pun-Pun can also do - but it was still a learning experience), and the Silly Literalist was an older response to a "100^10 Challenge" (which was to get at least +100 to ten specific areas - this obviously predates Pun-Pun. The author, LordOfProcrastination, added guidelines, which included "Q: Do I have to have exactly +100 to these areas to qualify? A: No you don't, you silly literalist." The Silly Literalist was naturally an entry to follow which actually managed to get exactly +100 to all the required areas, using some creative abilities along the way.)

I am around this forum since many years ago, but if you saw some Vincent then it wasn't me since that's the first account i registered here (after many years i decided to participate lol).

And thanks for the Shaedling tip, it looks promising...

Dec 23, 2012 -- 4:30AM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Dec 22, 2012 -- 8:17PM, Vincent_Dranoch wrote:

Because it's really old. There's nothing new about it. There's nothing interesting about it. Phaerimms are just one of the ways to ignore components.

The Omnicificer was interesting, the Silly Literalist still is interesting, but, really, there's just nothing interesting here.

Finding something interesting or not is a matter of perspective, so if you want to post in this topic you could spare others from your opinion and focus on the topic proposal itself.

Or you could just don't post here if in your opinion/perspective it's an old and not interesting idea.

It is like you just post this kind of comments to flood and flame.

So you simply posted this to show off you found something everyone else knows about? Okay. See, that's the kind of thing that you should specify in the OP. If you'd said that, I'd not have bothered. My mistake, giving you the benefit of the doubt.

No, i didn't make this topic to simply show off something i found, i did this because i made a search about "Phaerimm" in this forum and i found almost nothing, even everybody knowing this it is still almost untouched in matter of optimizing.

Dec 23, 2012 -- 4:30AM, Cyclone_Joker wrote:

Dec 22, 2012 -- 8:17PM, Vincent_Dranoch wrote:

Charm Monster. With a bit of work, you could just use Diplomacy, but Charming the mirror mephits is easier.

 Awful choice, Mirror Mephits casts Simulacrum with CL 8th. I hope you can do better than that.

Oh really?

There is something wrong here, you said you could do the same thing i do with Dweomerkeeper/Red Wizard (14 levels at least: Wizard 4/Cleric 1/Dweomekeeper 4/Red Wizard 5) with only 5 levels, but you get a 8 HD Efreeti for free that makes 3 free Wishes for you, and i get for free a 40 HD/40 sorcerer casting Phaerimm that cast ALL of its spells as spell-like (not only Wish), and it has more than just 3 free Wishes.

And the better part? Before i can get to 14th level i can learn Charm Monster and do the same trick as you.

Oh man, you are contradictory, you say Dweomerkeeper is a good PrC, but say Phaerimm is garbage. Phaerimm does the same as Dweomerkeeper, but MUCH more than 4 times per day, its only "problem" is casting as Sorcerer, but even this is not totally a problem (Arcane Spellsurge, Fusion, Greater Fusion...).

And i want to optimize Phaerimm, if you ridiculously think it is garbage, so get out and stop posting this, you are just saying sh*t when you say there is nothing to optimize, this forum was MADE for this purpose, to optimize things, so THERE IS *****ng things to optimize and i want to optimize this, if you don't wanna help just get out, and try to be less contradictory (or slow if you really didn't realized that Phaerimm is better than Dweomerkeeper at its purpose).

And i've read the Wish spell, the problem is that you lied, you said you would do the same that i did with a few levels, but you just did something else inferior.

Translation: "I have no idea why Sorcerers suck. Or what they do well. Or why Dweomerkeepers are good."

4 Supernatural Spells vs All spells a Sorcerer 40 can cast as Spell-Like.

Translation: "Rage. Also, I really don't get this "optimizing" thing."

Seriously, brah. The only thing that this will do would be a standard sorcerer with some sort of crappy gimmick, and without any of the actually good sorcerer toys, the ones that need Dragonblooded. So, basically, the only real way to optimize it either involves abusing Leadership with a Psion cohort, or just droppiing Phaerimm.

lol the thing has plenty of spell-likes and you still say it's trash lol

But let's pretend you're right, still i want to optimize this. I want to take a bad thing, and try to do the better that is possible with it, even if it's not much.

Translation: "I still have no idea what Wish does."

I suggest rereading the Wish spell again. Pay attention this time. A single wish does everything your build does, only better. With the added benefit of being a wizard, rather than a mediocre sorcerer that thinks it's a wizard.

Lol you want to expend 3 Wishes from Efreeti to cast 8th or lower spells while there are better and more broken things to expend Wish. What a waste.

Phaerimm has more than 6 free Wishes per day and doesn't worry expending them to simulate spells it already can cast, and all of this spells casted with 40th caster level at least lol

Can we please not fight today?  It's the holidays; you know, Peace, Joy, Love for our fellow man, and all that jazz?

CJ, could you please tell me, in your opinion (I say this as others may disagree with you), how does wish work?  I freely admit that I haven't read Wish in a while(I've been playin Pathfinder recently), and would like to have my memory refeshed.  I remember that it is a better form of limited wish, can mimic some spells, give stat boosts, and one or two other things, but what does it do? 

CJ, dood... Your minmax link just led to "badoink.com", which is a mobile porn site. WTF, brosef?