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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 10:42AM
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Dream, wasn't there a really popular book about a dragon who was impervious to arrows until the plucky hero found a weak spot and killed it?
Yeah, but he didn't just automatically know about that weak spot because he was a high level. Smaug had a DM fiat trait that made him impervious to harm against someone (someone of ANY level) that didn't know his weakness. Almost like he was some sort of story-arc-ending boss monster or something. 
<Ioun> they're apparently making a MolIsCool pp
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 10:54AM
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What about the idea that Smaugs HP had finally gotten low enough from all the attacks against him and the final arrow that was fired happened to be a natural 20? That would be a better D&D example.
Every conversation about bounded accuracy loses sight of the HP gains by higher level monsters. The term 'to hit' doesn't always reflect an actual HIT, just an attack that drained some of the opponents resourses (Hit Points, which doesn't have to reflect actual damage either).
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 11:18AM
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What about the idea that Smaugs HP had finally gotten low enough from all the attacks against him and the final arrow that was fired happened to be a natural 20? That would be a better D&D example.
Every conversation about bounded accuracy loses sight of the HP gains by higher level monsters. The term 'to hit' doesn't always reflect an actual HIT, just an attack that drained some of the opponents resourses (Hit Points, which doesn't have to reflect actual damage either).
Or you could read the book and realize it was an arrow of slaying or the equivalent and he got a bunch of circumstance bonuses because he was given knowledge on how to defeat the dragon...
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 11:29AM
#54
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eh rogue warlord points out vulnerability by proxy or random die roll reveals shrug
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 11:33AM
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Arrow heirloom and favorite not necessarily magic but maybe
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 12:10PM
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What about the idea that Smaugs HP had finally gotten low enough from all the attacks against him and the final arrow that was fired happened to be a natural 20? That would be a better D&D example.
Every conversation about bounded accuracy loses sight of the HP gains by higher level monsters. The term 'to hit' doesn't always reflect an actual HIT, just an attack that drained some of the opponents resourses (Hit Points, which doesn't have to reflect actual damage either).
Or you could read the book and realize it was an arrow of slaying or the equivalent and he got a bunch of circumstance bonuses because he was given knowledge on how to defeat the dragon...
I have read the book.
Lets relate what was in the book to bounded accuracy and hit points, which need to be taken in context together, not separately. Was the gold lining his belly partial cover perhaps? An Arrow of Slaying would add a huge HP damage bonus, and he used his Precise Shot maneuver to overcome the partial cover?
Again, the conversation about bounded accuracy needs to take what HP represent into account.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 12:22PM
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I think they just need to bump monster AC a bit, and lower PC damage; compared to monsters' it's obscene.
Aside from that, I'm digging it.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 12:33PM
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Dream, wasn't there a really popular book about a dragon who was impervious to arrows until the plucky hero found a weak spot and killed it?
Yeah, but he didn't just automatically know about that weak spot because he was a high level. Smaug had a DM fiat trait that made him impervious to harm against someone (someone of ANY level) that didn't know his weakness. Almost like he was some sort of story-arc-ending boss monster or something.
And it still took a magic arrow that never missed to hit that spot and kill him. It wasn't as if Bard killed him because he was high level.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 1:01PM
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What about the idea that Smaugs HP had finally gotten low enough from all the attacks against him and the final arrow that was fired happened to be a natural 20? That would be a better D&D example.
Every conversation about bounded accuracy loses sight of the HP gains by higher level monsters. The term 'to hit' doesn't always reflect an actual HIT, just an attack that drained some of the opponents resourses (Hit Points, which doesn't have to reflect actual damage either).
D&D examples in LoTR, you mean like how Gandalf never cast more than a few low level cantrips, and first level halfling kept making saving throws against an epic level artifact?
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5 months ago ::
Dec 24, 2012 - 1:29PM
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What about the idea that Smaugs HP had finally gotten low enough from all the attacks against him and the final arrow that was fired happened to be a natural 20? That would be a better D&D example.
Every conversation about bounded accuracy loses sight of the HP gains by higher level monsters. The term 'to hit' doesn't always reflect an actual HIT, just an attack that drained some of the opponents resourses (Hit Points, which doesn't have to reflect actual damage either).
D&D examples in LoTR, you mean like how Gandalf never cast more than a few low level cantrips, and first level halfling kept making saving throws against an epic level artifact?
Yeah, but Gandalf CHOSE not to cast super powerful spells and the halfling had advantage on charisma saves...
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