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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:16PM
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Try pointing out original blade cascade to him as an example of the original stuff being broken.
Trust me, I thought about it. As a joke I thought about holding his game ransom. Either he lets me play what I want, or I roll up a PHB1 Lazylord and top the DPS charts for the group ha ha.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:21PM
#12
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Date Joined:
Feb 26, 2011
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Try Pointing out +stat to d20 rolls. Oh wait. Thats still in the game. Everywhere.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:32PM
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Remind him that the game has been around for four years. Wizards didn't get everything right straight out of the gate and have added things more or less organically to the game to help realize certain core concepts (Straladins, for example) or fix otherwise broken math. Picking a random array of books that are legal is pretty artifical, actually. WotC works in a world of publisher's page counts and digital content. Just because something is in PH3 doesn't immediately make it more or less important than something from Dragon.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:36PM
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Mar 25, 2008
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Remind him that the game has been around for four years. Wizards didn't get everything right straight out of the gate and have added things more or less organically to the game to help realize certain core concepts (Straladins, for example) or fix otherwise broken math. Picking a random array of books that are legal is pretty artifical, actually. WotC works in a world of publisher's page counts and digital content. Just because something is in PH3 doesn't immediately make it more or less important than something from Dragon.
That's a very good point. I've brought it up to him in the past, but his response is always to the effect of, "If it was printed then it was fine. The core books are the most balanced ones."
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:36PM
#15
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Feb 19, 2006
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Players breaking a game isn't a problem with the rules, its a problem with the player. Good players will behave themselves regardless of what sources they have and bad players will push whatever sources they have to the limit regardless.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:37PM
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Date Joined:
Mar 25, 2008
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Players breaking a game isn't a problem with the rules, its a problem with the player. Good players will behave themselves regardless of what sources they have and bad players will push whatever sources they have to the limit regardless.
Another point I've tried to bring up several times. Its not the game, its the player.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:38PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2006
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Remind him that the game has been around for four years. Wizards didn't get everything right straight out of the gate and have added things more or less organically to the game to help realize certain core concepts (Straladins, for example) or fix otherwise broken math. Picking a random array of books that are legal is pretty artifical, actually. WotC works in a world of publisher's page counts and digital content. Just because something is in PH3 doesn't immediately make it more or less important than something from Dragon.
That's a very good point. I've brought it up to him in the past, but his response is always to the effect of, "If it was printed then it was fine. The core books are the most balanced ones."
Boy could this board disabuse him of that notion quick.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:42PM
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Apr 25, 2002
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What you might want to do is have a flashback/flashforward campaign that then leads into the main campaign.
As an example, let's say the characters start out at 1st level. Have a prophetic dream of a combat that they'll have at 8th level. Let everything work. If things go wacky beyond belief, tone things down. If the DM feels really comfortable with what happened, then the prophetic dream might come true.
This will help the DM feel a bit more comfortable with where you, the players, think you're potentially going buildwise. If he doesn't understand how things are working, he can tell you that and you can figure out how to work everything out.
Plus, then you have this cool prophetic dream against a BBEG that may or may not come true.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:43PM
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Remind him that the game has been around for four years. Wizards didn't get everything right straight out of the gate and have added things more or less organically to the game to help realize certain core concepts (Straladins, for example) or fix otherwise broken math. Picking a random array of books that are legal is pretty artifical, actually. WotC works in a world of publisher's page counts and digital content. Just because something is in PH3 doesn't immediately make it more or less important than something from Dragon.
That's a very good point. I've brought it up to him in the past, but his response is always to the effect of, "If it was printed then it was fine. The core books are the most balanced ones."
Given his unfamiliarity with the secondary material, I don't see how he could possibly make this judgment. And as rjsilverthorn pointed out (and a glance at the size of the errata files will prove), core does not always translate to balanced.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 4:44PM
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Date Joined:
Feb 19, 2006
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Players breaking a game isn't a problem with the rules, its a problem with the player. Good players will behave themselves regardless of what sources they have and bad players will push whatever sources they have to the limit regardless.
Another point I've tried to bring up several times. Its not the game, its the player.
The games I run are pretty simple, you can use any source but I reserve the right to ban or change something if it becomes an issue. So far I haven't had to ban anything but I'm sure none of my players would give me a problem if I asked.
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