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5 months ago  ::  Dec 20, 2012 - 4:23PM #11
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Yeah I'm sorry my group kind of prefers feet as opposed to squares.
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I prefer Next because 4E players and CharOpers can't find their ass without a grid and a power called "Find Ass."
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 20, 2012 - 9:06PM #12
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Dec 20, 2012 -- 3:22PM, lok_soldier wrote:

Before Player's Option (and 3E), spells and effects used yards.


1E used yards and inches interchangably, and at random.

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 20, 2012 - 11:55PM #13
awogaman
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I agree with the op.  I prefer it mentioned in squares and also about the time phrases.  I think it was ok to keep track of some of the timing in 4e, such as, "until the end of the encounter."  Or even, "until the end of next turn." 
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 5:25AM #14
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As lok_soldier pointed out, 5-ft squares did not first appear in 4e.  People who don't like grids and minis seem to like saying that stuff belongs to 4e because it's a popular scapegoat.  You don't have to use them, but minis have been a part of D&D since it's conception, as the original D&D was based on Chainmail (a miniatrure war game), and actually recommended that you also owned a copy of Chainmail.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 5:33AM #15
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As far as units go, I prefer the term spaces over squares or feet.  I define a space to be the amount of space around a person considered to be their personal space, which has roughly a 5-ft diameter.  Other people can enter your personal space, but it's harder to maneuver when this happens (e.g. squeezing).  When thinking of spaces in this sense they are (I find) actually easier to visualize for Theater of the Mind than feet or metres, and for grids the term works for sqares, hexes, or any other kind of grid you like.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 6:06AM #16
strider13x
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spaces does work better than squares. easy to define space as 5' radius. funny how changing the word used can make all the difference.
units of time chould be changed to round and scene to help unify the mechanics as well.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 6:33AM #17
Shiroiken
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My groups use TotM and Feet works best for us. For combat, the specifics are blurred, and Spaces could be convienient. When they create the Tactical Module, I would prefer the use of Spaces rather than Squares, as IMO Hex Grid is superior to Square Grid, but YMMV.

As far as Time goes, things should not be measured in Rounds, but Turns (your Next Turn, their Next Turn, ect.). Multiple Round Effects are a hassle to remember and I'm glad to see them go. A Duration in Minutes is fine for me, because they give you a good gauge for non-combat duration, and last an entire combat. One thing I don't want to see return is Duration based on Caster Level, because that's really a pain.
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 7:32AM #18
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i would like to chime in and say we do NOT use a grid AT ALL.
everynow and then, when there are lots of bad guys in the same room, we will lay out little figures, but we dont need a grip to discuss if they are within 35' or if they are not.

we prefer no grid because it makes the experience too gamey for our taste, and it keeps it more free form and story driven.

so I really would not like it, if they used 'squares' instead of feet.

 
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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 7:32AM #19
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Dec 21, 2012 -- 5:25AM, WpgDave wrote:

As lok_soldier pointed out, 5-ft squares did not first appear in 4e.  People who don't like grids and minis seem to like saying that stuff belongs to 4e because it's a popular scapegoat.  You don't have to use them, but minis have been a part of D&D since it's conception, as the original D&D was based on Chainmail (a miniatrure war game), and actually recommended that you also owned a copy of Chainmail.



Recommended? I've got the original three booklets, and it was damn near required! You couldn't play the game without them, because that's where the combat engine was!

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5 months ago  ::  Dec 21, 2012 - 7:39AM #20
vict85
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Dec 20, 2012 -- 9:50AM, Saelorn wrote:

Most people in North America know what a yard is, and most people outside of North America know that a yard is about a meter.





Well, I think very few in Italy or even Europe know a yard is about a meter. It is something useless: only three Countries in the World don't use the International System of Units (US, Liberia and Burma). And I'm not sure Burma use the US System of units.


Anyway, Wizards generally converts it in the published version.  

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