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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:29PM
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I was looking at Brutal Barrage (13th level at will for Battlemind) and noticed something odd. It says it has multiple attacks rolls, but does not do damage on every hit. Twin Strike for the Ranger states that it does damage on every hit. Brutal Barrage has this Attack: Constitution vs. AC. Make the attack three times. Hit: Constitution modifier damage. Effect: If you hit the target two or more times, it falls prone. So it seems that the extra rolls are only there to improve your chance of hitting and only creates an effect if it hits more than once, but it always does Con mod damage only once. Twin Strike says this Attack: Strength vs. AC (melee; main weapon and off-hand weapon) or Dexterity vs. AC (ranged), two attacks Hit: 1[W] damage per attack.
I think the per attack is the difference maker and since Brutal Barrage does not say Con mod damage per attack, it only does the Con mod damage once.
I believe I'm reading this correctly, but I noticed the Char Op seems to think differently as most of the builds depend on damage per hit. I think I could find more examples of this as well...I was just wondering if this has ever been noticed.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:40PM
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Oct 23, 2011
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You execute the Hit: line of a power every time you hit with it. Go read the power rules.
The formating difference is because BB is from a different book (PHB3) then most Ranger powers and, funnily enough, people misread the old formating to mean all sorts of bizarre things that weren't intended, so they started formating powers differently. Clearly it just doesn't matter, people will misread things regardless.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:03PM
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When did this formatting change happen...where is this rule change stated? The Players Handbook does not say that, so where would I find that written?
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:08PM
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There wasn't a formatting change.
You are confusing the concepts "Attack" with "Attack Roll".
An Attack is the entire... Attack. An Attack Roll is just the roll.
Stop posting your misinformation in 10 different places.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:13PM
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You execute the Hit: line of a power every time you hit with it. Go read the power rules.
From where? the PHB 1 does not say this, that is why I asked if it was a change.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:25PM
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You execute the Hit: line of a power every time you hit with it. Go read the power rules.
From where? the PHB 1 does not say this, that is why I asked if it was a change.
Attack:
An attack roll and its effects, including any damage rolls. The word “attack” is sometimes used as shorthand for “attack power.” Some attack powers include multiple attacks, and some powers, such as magic missile, are designated as attacks yet lack attack rolls (using such a power counts as making an attack if the power has a target).
That is the RC entry for attack.
Since you ask about PHB 1
MAKING AN ATTACK p269
All attacks follow the same basic process:
1. Choose the attack you’ll use. Each attack has an attack type.
2. Choose targets for the attack (page 272). Each target must be within range (page 273). Check whether you can see and target your enemies (page 273).
3. Make an attack roll (page 273).
4. Compare your attack roll to the target’s defense
(page 274) to determine whether you hit or miss.
5. Deal damage and apply other effects (page 276). So that is exactly where it states it. 1. Choose BB 2. Target a creature in range. 3. Roll an Attack Roll. 4. Compare to defenses 5. If it hits deal damage and other effects. One of the other effects is to make this attack more than once.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 12:00PM
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From where? the PHB 1 does not say this, that is why I asked if it was a change.
That'd be in the PHB, under "How to Read a Power." Also in the RC. So... yes, the PHB does say that. The Hit: lines says what to do when you hit. If you roll more than one attack, you can hit more than once.
The formating change is irrelevant to the rules, they simply tried to make powers clearer because people were misreading them. Who'd have thought the actual problem was that no one went and read the rules about how powers are supposed to be read? So much so that they apparently don't even know such rules exist.
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