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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:08AM
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Imho one of the major improvements in 4E was that now magic users also had an attack roll instead that the targets had to use a saving throw. Making fortitude, reflex, and willpower a non armor-class defense was pretty much the right direction. It also simplified and balanced certain issues.
It also gave other non-magic classes the opportunities (certain powers and feats) to also circumvent AC with some of their attacks. Reverting back to saving throws actually removes a good idea and many possibilities.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:14AM
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Oct 19, 2012
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I can have either-or. All they did was change up the hands that rolled the dice, and merge that change with a reverse of the rolled defense variant rule. I know people who did just that in 3e long before 4e hit shelves. It doesn't do as much for balance as one might think. It's a lot of window-dressing. As for the second point, you can do the same thing with saving throws. 3.5 Did in fact do that with some of the later classes in the complete books. Too bad some of them were poorly implemented. The second point is less a function of defenses and more a function of what abilities are available to who.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:20AM
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Jun 15, 2012
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I can have either-or. All they did was change up the hands that rolled the dice, and merge that change with a reverse of the rolled defense variant rule. I know people who did just that in 3e long before 4e hit shelves. It doesn't do as much for balance as one might think. It's a lot of window-dressing. As for the second point, you can do the same thing with saving throws. 3.5 Did in fact do that with some of the later classes in the complete books. Too bad some of them were poorly implemented. The second point is less a function of defenses and more a function of what abilities are available to who.
I agree with what your saying, but I still think the feedback of rolling for yourself is more fun. I know that's an oppinion, but looking at the video game industry and how it designs around kinesthetic feedback, I'm guessing it's a common one. On top of that, I have been playing NEXT with a lot of people fresh to RPGs in general. They don't seem to grasp saving throws from attacks they make as well as they grasp attack rolls and their own personal saving throws.
Its all anecdotal of course
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:22AM
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Oct 19, 2012
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The simplification it offers probably makes it a superior option. I'm just saying that for me personally, I honestly don't see much difference between the two.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:25AM
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Like I said in other topics like this, NADs seem like an easy enough variant rule to change saving throws into attacks vs NADs.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:26AM
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I prefer the concept of NADs over saves, although I wouldn't want to see the same formula as used in 4e. If they kept it as ability scores as defenses, it should be a straightforward conversion between the two systems.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:40AM
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Like I said in other topics like this, NADs seem like an easy enough variant rule to change saving throws into attacks vs NADs.
Agreed. I'd settle for that.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:40AM
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I actually read the title of this thread in the forum page as "please bring back the AIDS"
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:55AM
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I actually read the title of this thread in the forum page as "please bring back the AIDS"
"I'm sorry to tell yes that you, have AIDS oh you have AIDS! Be sure that it's not just HIV...But! Full! Blown! AIDS! I'm sorry I wish it was something less serious..."
Sorry, I couldn't resist. 
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:57AM
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Oh, come on. Like someone would come in here saying a rogue ability targetting Reflex should be called "Kicking them in the NADs". 
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