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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:33AM
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You cannot use assassinate against a target that is aware of your presence. What, however, does that mean? Does aware of your presence mean aware of your presence in an exact location or aware of your presence in the encounter? That needs to be clarified...
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:35AM
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I agree. I have seen different DMs rule this different ways. A clear and concise definition is needed for this.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 7:57AM
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I know this is just my personal opinion. When I think aware of your presense it means that have no idea you even exist. So it's a first attack burst damage type thing.
Even if you hide later, they still know you are around somewhere.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:00AM
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I agree, this is unclear. When I read it, I assumed it meant that assassinate would only be able to be used once (at least against any particular opponent) in a combat.
"Grr. I don't know where you went, but I know you are out there somewhere."
If you can use it multiple times, how is it not simply a way better version of sneak attack?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:00AM
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I know this is just my personal opinion. When I think aware of your presense it means that have no idea you even exist. So it's a first attack burst damage type thing.
Even if you hide later, they still know you are around somewhere.
Agreed.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:05AM
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I am aware that someone, at sometime, may possibly try and assassinate me. Now that i acknowlaged that, i'm immune.  Also, i'd be fine with hidden. Hidden is harder then advantage, and can be worth more then sneak attack.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:17AM
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That makes some sense  The paranoid noble is very difficult to assassinate. You need to catch him at a moment when his guard is down.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:21AM
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Sep 20, 2004
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If you can use it multiple times, how is it not simply a way better version of sneak attack?
Because it is easier to just gain advantage than becoming hidden. In fact, with the right feats, you can have advantage every attack.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:29AM
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If you can use it multiple times, how is it not simply a way better version of sneak attack?
Because it is easier to just gain advantage than becoming hidden. In fact, with the right feats, you can have advantage every attack.
Yep. Feats and skill tricks..
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 8:30AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2012
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it's very 2e AD&D backstab, but weirdly enough they managed to be even more vague than that. I'd rule it more toward 2e's "the target can't be aware of the attack." That way they can know you're out there but not know when you'll attack, which meets the rubric for backstab assassinate.
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