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5 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 8:56AM
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I don't know, if you are in disguise I wouldn't say that they are aware that "you" are in the room, they think it is someone else in the room until you stab them and they become aware of the disguise; or if they still fail to recognize the disguise perhaps the shock of being stabbed by who they believe is a trusted advisor would allow you to continue assassinating them...
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5 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 9:06AM
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For assassination to work a target cannot be aware of your presence. As I understand it, when you are hidden from a target it is not aware of your presence.
I disagree with that interpretation. When you are hidden, the enemy does not know where you are, and cannot target you, but that doesn't mean he's unaware of your presence.
If you Assassinate, then Hide, they don't forget that you've just stabbed them (or their buddy), and stand there wondering how they got this blood all over them. They would be very much aware of your presence, even if they couldn't say exactly where you are at any given moment.
This is my interpretation as well. I'd amend Assassinate to "unaware of your presence or hostile intent", though, because I definitely expect assassins to be able to gank people they walk up to in disguise.
I'd like to see the wording changed as well, just to make it clear.
EDIT: Though I might prefer the name "Backstab" for it a bit more anyways. Maybe not as fitting (and god forbid folks think it require you to physically stab someone in the back - that might be bad), but more of a "legacy" name.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 20, 2012 - 9:35AM
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The section on hiding in the How to Play file supports this idea (that hiding doesn't always mean they aren't aware of you): "Ties are a special case in this contest. If a creature is already aware of you before the contest, you fail to hide. If [it] was not aware of you before the contest, you remain hidden in the case of a tie."
So unless you are fighting creatures who have not yet developed object permanence, you can't leap out from hiding, stab a creature, hide again, and repeat. You can certainly try to hide to gain advantage, but you wouldn't be able to assassinate.
As for Sneak Attack, I disagree with the idea that you can only gain advantage by hiding or using feint. If your target is: blinded, paralyzed, prone, or stunned you also have advantage. Knocking them prone is the easiest, as one of your allies could try it every round.
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