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Dec 17, 2012 -- 9:11PM, NightsLastHero wrote:

I really had hoped that I had over reacted about the rogue and that I was blowing things out of porportion and making assumptions that I really should not have made. BUT looks like I was right after all, and even worse I actually guessed the name of the Skill Trick!!!!! 

So Taunt, just as I feared does exactly what I claimed it would and without any exceptions that I said wouldn't be provided. Several people tried to say that nothing said you had to charge, but the Skill Trick does state you must move towards the character. You aren't allowed any exceptions, even if attacking with a crossbow would have made more logical sense to do so. The only people who are provided an exception are those who are immune to charm effects...but exactly why is this the case for a mundane ability? No creature who is immune to magical charm should automatically be immune to a mundane charm. 

Anyway Taunt is not the only magical rogue ability. Charming Pressense is another. You somehow magically charm a creature... even if that creature wants to kill you or hates rogues or would never ever deal with you ever (Thinking of you Lawful Good Paladin). You can end this ability at will (clearly making it magical) and somehow using the ability means you can't use your skill dice. Apparently if you Charm the bartender you can't pick a lock that well any more. Flip a switch and the charm effect ends...magically as there is no reason for it to ever end if it is truly mundane (until you do something like stab the poor bartender). Even worse, even if I liked the ability, I'm not exactly sure what affect it is suppose to have. What does it mean to have someone charmed?

Display deadliness is another ability that just seems silly. I mean lets be honest the fighter looks way more deadly than the rogue could ever look, especially if the rogue is doing his job of not being noticed.

Distract is silly and apparently magical as well. (Doesn't work on creatures immune to charm affects...no reason this should be the case) May actually have some redeemability.

While I like Feint, I think this is more of a fighter ability rather than something the rogue should have.

Use Magic Device makes no logical sense. How exactly do you trick a magical item into thinking you are a particular race, class, or have a spellcasting ability???????????

Unsassuming threat is horrible. I mean if the monster isn't paying attention to the other guy but you, there is no reason this should give you an ability to your AC.


At least I like sneak attack looking at it. But I've just elimated half the Skill Tricks that I could not possibly put up with in a game of D&D wihtout quiting the game after five seconds. I've never house rulled anything and yet the rogue continues to be a problem.

*Please note that at least at the moment if I didn't mention a skill trick it means I actually like it or it is acceptable.

even with the kenders taunt in 2ed. the targeted creature got a save to resit the effect.

Dec 20, 2012 -- 7:17AM, GMforPowergamers wrote:

So again to my idea... All Maneuvers and spells and skill tricks get a star, and a sidebar, talk to your table about what type of game they want...

When did we become so obtuse and sheepish that this was not already implied and applied just fine without such superfluous tags?

I don't see why we should dumb things down so far that we need to spoon feed blatantly obvious things like this.

Same mentality got warning labels on hair dryers cautioning you not to use them in the bath/shower.

I find it sad sometimes.