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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:01AM
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Hi everyone!! let me introduce you to our party's latest discussion about OA + brutal barrage + tactital blows:
there's a controversial battlemind/fighter in the party that says the property of the Bracers of Tactical Blows (Property: When you hit with an opportunity attack, deal an extra 1d6 damage.) applies to every single hit dealt by his Brutal Barrage (used as an OA with the Heavy Blade Opportunity feat). So that with a flat BB the damage dealt comes as follow: 1st Hit: Con Mod (6) + 1d6 (Bracers of tactical Blows)
2nd Hit: Con Mod (6) + 1d6 (Bracers of tactical Blows)
3rd Hit: Con Mod (6) + 1d6 (Bracers of tactical Blows) Is this correct... why? or B.Tactical Blows apply just once at the end of the OA? 1st Hit: Con Mod (6)
2nd Hit: Con Mod (6)
3rd Hit: Con Mod (6) + 1d6 (Bracers of tactical Blows) ???? thanks you all!!
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:12AM
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Jun 19, 2004
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I probably should look up the wording to be certain, but I'm lazy. Assuming you have the right wording there and he can use it as an OA it gets added to every swing.
Just like if the character had Boots of the Mighty Charge to replace his MBA on a charge he would gain all the effects of the Charge on it.
So assuming he has Horned Helm (Paragon), Vanguard Gouge and Surprising Charge it would do this:
Con mod + 2d6+1d8+2d6b1
Con mod + 2d6+1d8+2d6b1
Con mod + 2d6+1d8+2d6b1
As to the why it is because it is a replacement effect. If you are using BB as an OA then all the attacks are OAs and so get all bonuses for being OAs. If you use it as the end of a charge etc etc.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:21AM
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Is this correct... why?
Yes its correct, because every attacks from Brutal Barrage is done as part of an Opportunity Attack and thus may benefit from Bracers of Tactical Blows.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:39PM
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Is this correct... why?
Yes its correct, because every attacks from Brutal Barrage is done as part of an Opportunity Attack and thus may benefit from Bracers of Tactical Blows.
If I'm reading Brutal Barrage correctly, it does not get the damage on each hit. The multiple attack rolls only improve the chance of hitting and add an effect (prone) if hit multiple times, but still only does Con mod damage once even if it hits every time.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:47PM
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If I'm reading Brutal Barrage correctly, it does not get the damage on each hit. The multiple attack rolls only improve the chance of hitting and add an effect (prone) if hit multiple times, but still only does Con mod damage once even if it hits every time.
You're not reading BB correctly.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 11:03PM
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If I'm reading Brutal Barrage correctly, it does not get the damage on each hit. The multiple attack rolls only improve the chance of hitting and add an effect (prone) if hit multiple times, but still only does Con mod damage once even if it hits every time.
You're not reading BB correctly.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:25AM
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Most things in 4e are based on the relatively simple concept of "If X then Y", every time the Condition X is satisfied, Result Y occurs. This is most commonly demonstrated when Making an Attack, every time you hit the target with an attack, you follow the directions of what the power says to do when you hit, every time you miss the target with an attack, you follow the directions (if any) of what the power says to do when you miss. Brutal Barrage very plainly states "Make the attack three times", 3 attacks, 3 attempts to hit, up to 3 instances of damage (4 for all those in the case of Augment).
A power would need to specifically say "Resolve all three attacks as a single hit" or something similar, and there are powers that say that.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 8:24AM
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So Plaguescarred, would you say then that if you get an OA, with HBO, and sub in Throw and Stab, that you can recursively attack every enemy in the encounter... because it is made as an OA?
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 8:43AM
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You can use Throw and Stab instead of a basic attack when making an Opportunity Attack if you have Heavy Blade Opportunity. Not every enemies in the encounter would be attacked though, just 2, since it target 1 creature and let you move up to your speed and make a melee basic attack against another creature as an Effect.
Good luck trying to convince any DM to get to chain Throw and Stab like that. :P
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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6 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 9:13AM
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And in place of the basic attack in Throw and Stab, you can...use Throw and Stab, because HBO tells you you can.
Perfectly legit, if clearly unintended. Report to errata board (if they even do that anymore...)
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