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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 9:35AM
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It was reported years ago and ignored. And now, they're claiming there's no errata left to make for 4e. lol
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 10:24AM
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May 12, 2009
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No it doesn't work RAW now that the Rule Compendium changed Opportunity Attack. Because Opportunity Attack is now a power and that making an opportunity attack refers to using the Opportunity Attack power, it means Heavy Blade Opportunity cannot allow the melee basic attack from Throw and Stab to be be replaced by Throw and Stab because you are not using the Opportunity Attack power. ''When you make an opportunity attack use opportunity attack power with a heavy blade, you can use an at-will attack that has the weapon keyword instead of a basic attack.'' PHB 203 Heavy Blade Opportunity: When you make an opportunity attack with a heavy blade, you can use an at-will attack that has the weapon keyword instead of a basic attack.
RC 247 Opportunity Attack: Triggering this power is usually referred to as provoking an opportunity attack and using it is usually referred to as making an opportunity attack.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 11:02AM
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Jun 17, 2010
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It's HBO that allows this to work, and your statement that the entirety of the at-will used by HBO counts as "opportunity attack." The RC quote does not apply, because HBO overrides it.
You can't claim the strikethrough, because the RC didn't edit the HBO feat. HBO still does what HBO says it does.
You are making an opportunity attack, as you claim as per your answer above regarding Brutal Barrage, and you are making a basic attack. You can therefore substitute an at-will power for the basic attack.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 11:14AM
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May 12, 2009
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You can't treat Throw and Stab's melee basic attack the same as Brutal Barrage's attack because one is a power granted in an Effect line while the other is an attack in the at-will's Attack line used instead of a basic attack.
The attack(s) counting as opportunity attack are those contained in the at-will attack used instead of the basic attack. In the case of Throw and Stab its:
Attack: Strength vs. AC (thrown weapon)
Hit: 1[W] damage.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 1:38PM
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That's an insignificant distinction. The opportunity attack is still the usage of the power, because you're using the power in place of the MBA.
Bull Charge, the Fighter L3 encounter power, has both its primary and secondary attacks boosted by the +1 bonus to Charge attacks for the exact same reason.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 3:27PM
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May 12, 2009
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There's another silliness that prevent Heavy Blade Opportunity from working RAW. Heavy Blade Opportunity can be used w hen you make an opportunity attack with a heavy blade, which cannot happen because the Opportunity Attack power doesn't have the Weapon keyword.
Its one of a few things that was broken by it :P
RC 113 Weapon: The weapon keyword identifies a power that is used with a power
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 9:42PM
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Mar 12, 2011
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even though this is the rules forum, i'm not sure how productive it is to respond that something doesnt work in the expected manner because an idiot unintentionally broke it. exactly zero DMs will rule that HBO never works, so, other than being an interesting academic tidbit, it seems unhelpful.
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 10:01PM
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even though this is the rules forum, i'm not sure how productive it is to respond that something doesnt work in the expected manner because an idiot unintentionally broke it. exactly zero DMs will rule that HBO never works, so, other than being an interesting academic tidbit, it seems unhelpful.
Its an interesting academic tidbit.
Also its better than going "BB only does damage once" and then posting that on half a dozen threads crying that we are all wrong. Then when shown you are in fact the one who is incorrect sinking quietly back into the shadows without so much as a "oh, sorry for spreading misinformation like a plague-rat".
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 10:03PM
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even though this is the rules forum, i'm not sure how productive it is to respond that something doesnt work in the expected manner because an idiot unintentionally broke it. exactly zero DMs will rule that HBO never works, so, other than being an interesting academic tidbit, it seems unhelpful.
Its an interesting academic tidbit.
Also its better than going "BB only does damage once" and then posting that on half a dozen threads crying that we are all wrong. Then when shown you are in fact the one who is incorrect sinking quietly back into the shadows without so much as a "oh, sorry for spreading misinformation like a plague-rat".
at least we get saving throws at the end of the thread to avoid contracting misinformation (stage 1).
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5 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 11:23PM
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even though this is the rules forum, i'm not sure how productive it is to respond that something doesnt work in the expected manner because an idiot unintentionally broke it. exactly zero DMs will rule that HBO never works, so, other than being an interesting academic tidbit, it seems unhelpful.
Well, the issue is farther reaching... it is useful to be aware that almost nothing associated with/keying off of Opportunity Attacks actually works anymore.
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