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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 1:42AM
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There is no such thing as "solely" Essentials.
Yes there is. Someone can buy a RC and DMK and HoTFL and play D&D without ever knowing what Masterwork his. You need to stop evaluating things globally s you do because not everyone plays like you or have access to the same materials as you do.
Essentials basically did away with Masterwork Armor and made a PHB free of them to keep things simpler, but added the AC bonuses increase to compensate.
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Yan
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 2:49AM
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The quote here directly indicate nonmasterwork armor exist:
AV 6 Masterwork Armor: Masterwork armor always has an enhancement bonus, and the price of the masterwork armor material is incorporated into the overall cost of the magic armor. For example, +4 crysteel mail armor costs 45,000 gp—the same as nonmasterwork +4 chain armor.
Adventures also give nonmasterwork magic armors while some other do. The Dungeon 202 adventure Cruel As a Desert Wind do state that an armor received is a +2 scorpion carapace plate armor Masterwork, while Warrens of the Stone Giant get another which doesn't state its one. D202 Cruel As Desert Wind: If the characters ask for payment, he offers to give them a +2 carnage greatsword or a suit of +2 scorpion carapace plate armor
D198 Warrens of the Stone Giant: an unlocked chest containing his personal treasures: a suit of +4 flamedrinker plate armor.
Yan
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 6:46AM
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I'm not clear why you think that AV quote is relevant, Plague, when HotFL changed the rule.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 8:14AM
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HoTFL didnt change the rule about Masterwork armor, it only changed the base AC bonus for magic armor, not the same thing. Also discussed here.
Yan
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 9:01AM
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I'd just like to clarify and revise my earlier statements. I don't really care whether something is called "masterwork" or not, or whether "all magic armor is masterwork" or not. To me, that's just semantics. What I really am trying to explain is that the masterwork types in PHB and AV do not use the armor bonus tables from the Heroes Of books. They are their own cases and use the armor bonuses in their own descriptions. For some types this makes them match the Heroes Of tables but for others it does not and in those cases you (always?) get a benefit of some other sort like a NAD bump or Resist.
IOW, the Heroes Of tables are the general rule on what armor bonus you get and the different masterwork types are the specific exceptions to that rule.
Just going by the explanations in the books is what creates all the confusion on this topic because it's not specifically spelled out how the old masterwork armor types are handled post-Essentials. But the Compendium and the Character Builder show how it really works and no, they are not mistaken on this issue. If you want to believe they are then that's your prerogative. If you don't have DDi and are just trying to figure it out using the books, I can fully understand why you might interpret this differently.
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Dec 18, 2012 - 6:38AM
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