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7 months ago ::
Dec 16, 2012 - 4:16AM
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BTW, count your blessings. In 3e, the longbow had a range increment of 100 feet (20 squares), but could fire TEN range increments (200 squares), and there were a lot of ways to increase that.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 16, 2012 - 8:50AM
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Deepwoods Sniper, because shooting through trees means I can hit a stirge 3 countries away!
Yeah, back in 3.5 it was almost possible to shoot yourself in the back of the head, lol.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 16, 2012 - 12:18PM
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Deepwoods Sniper, because shooting through trees means I can hit a stirge 3 countries away!
Yeah, back in 3.5 it was almost possible to shoot yourself in the back of the head, lol.
In 2e, I had a ranger that managed to fire east and hit an ally to the west. Though that was probably the DM fudging things...
Also, isn't there a feat (Far Shot, I think?) that increases both normal and extended range by 10 squares? It's rarely useful (since 20 squares is already a huge distance), but I've known some people that would take it just to be an extreme range sniper.
Most fights I've seen in 4e (and I've been in quite a few campaigns) have been constrained enough that a range of 20 will let you stand on one side of the battlefield and hit a monster on the other side. Maybe you'll have to walk a couple feet forward first, but I digress...
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7 months ago ::
Dec 16, 2012 - 11:42PM
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Yes, and you can use a Weapon of Long Range, and probably a PP or something. Regardless, in 4e there exist powers with range "Sight"
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 7:13AM
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Not to mention the fact that 20/40 is only the longbow's range. If the sniper takes a greatbow (and the accompanying feat), it has a range of 25/50, without anything else added on.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 8:01AM
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I've literally never had a situation where I used a bow's long range. Ever.
I've used long range on some of the more limited throwing weapons, but never for a bow or crossbow.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 17, 2012 - 10:11PM
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I've literally never had a situation where I used a bow's long range. Ever.
I've used long range on some of the more limited throwing weapons, but never for a bow or crossbow.
I've played a hunter from 1-11, a bow ranger from 1-19, and a ranger|seeker 11-17. I have had to move closer at the start of combat to avoid a long range penalty exactly once, and that was to immobilize the furthest enemy away from us, that had started 21 squares away from me.
In theory, how common this is depends on your DM. in practice, if he's nice to you by setting up combat maps with monsters starting 20+ squares away, he's simultaneously being a dick to the rest of the party, who will have to spend at least one round double-running to close the distance.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 18, 2012 - 3:00AM
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IME long range has most often come up with flying creature getting away in the sky.
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7 months ago ::
Dec 19, 2012 - 5:12AM
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LFR Battle Interactives have often had range > 20 happen.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 23, 2012 - 3:58PM
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The problem when attacking from so far away, is that monsters could circle around the party and reach the "archer", and he wouldn't be in reach of his allies to be helped (the last encounter i DM, spreading the party turned quite a bad idea from them)
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