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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:18PM
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Dec 13, 2012
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I was curious until recently of what the next iteration of DnD will have. As of this week I found out, and I am disappointed. DnD has reverted back to essentially 3rd Edition from what I witnessed of a playtest in my local comic store. Again you will have more purpose to a party as a fighter at all levels; whereas spell casters are once more the "one spell a day" wonder having to fall back to bad crossbow attack rolls starting out. Don't say that the concept of unlimited cantrips is an improvement; because it is really nothing new from what I have heard people who play Pathfinder speak of. Ray of Frost may be a little more damaging, but go up against a cold proof monster and say hello to the crossbow and bad attack rolls again. I am not so much disappointed in seeing them switch from 4th edition which tried to make every class different but equal in usefulness then I am angry that they are trying to rehash old editions and putting a bright new cover on it. I will not be buying into DnD Next.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:22PM
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Date Joined:
May 27, 2012
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Yes, as it is presented, Next is essentially a massive re-balancing of 3E. Is that such a bad thing, though? I guess it is, if you didn't like 3E, or if you think they're balancing it incorrectly, but you say that is not the major cause of your disappointment.
What would you want out of a potential 5E?
The metagame is not the game.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:25PM
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MAybe a rebalancing of 3e where the cool parts of 4e are maintained.
The dynamic monsters, the turn by turn options, and spells and weapons back on the same system.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:31PM
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Date Joined:
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What gets me, is (presumably) how may people hold the OP's opinion. Its fascinating, really.
Here we have someone who briefly "checked out" the latest playtest at a hobby store. Saw they didn't like some things they think they perceived, made sweeping assumptions, and dismissed it as if it were the final product.
As if things aren't in a state of flux and development. As if its a real RPG. As if somehow they just experienced 5e.
Honestly, it dumbfounds me sometimes.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:32PM
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What gets me, is (presumably) how may people hold the OP's opinion. Its fascinating, really.
Here we have someone who briefly "checked out" the latest playtest at a hobby store. Saw they didn't like some things they think they perceived, made sweeping assumptions, and dismissed it as if it were the final product.
As if things aren't in a state of flux and development. As if its a real RPG. As if somehow they just experienced 5e.
Honestly, it dumbfounds me sometimes.
This. It is still far too early in the development process to make any final judgements about the game. Everyone knows that it's not well balanced, and that there are some large-sclare changes that need to be made. It takes time to develop them and release a new package, however. If you have some opinions about how the game is going so far, sign up for the playtest and take part in the surveys.
Ever feel like people on these forums can't possibly understand how wrong they are? Feeling trolled? Don't get mad. Report Post.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:32PM
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May 11, 2006
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MasterBedlam,
If you have notions of what you'd like to see in D&DN, I strongly urge you to get involved. Playtest it. Report your findings and preferences to the survey. Provide constructive feedback.
That's going to go a heck of a lot further than ragequiting.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:43PM
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I think it seems similar to 3e because that's how people play it. To me, the game functions quite differently. However, I will admit it shares more with 3e than any other edition.
If you've been playing 3e for the last 10 years, chances are you are initially going to play like you play 3e.
My two copper.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:46PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 17, 2007
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Yes, as it is presented, Next is essentially a massive re-balancing of 3E. Is that such a bad thing, though? I guess it is, if you didn't like 3E, or if you think they're balancing it incorrectly, but you say that is not the major cause of your disappointment.
Yes, it's 3E with a sanity check, kind of.
To be honest I'd be moderately ok with this if 4E didn't happen in between. Now I just can't go back to that style of play anymore.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:49PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 19, 2006
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There are elements of 3E that I can see, but I didn't find them as glaringly as others (and I've played a LOT of 3E). I think, again, that it's about perception. When you look at the classes tables, they remind me instantly of 3E as they're level-by-level, have a weapon/spell attack progression, and gain certain stuff at certain levels (with dead levels abound). While this might not mean that it plays like 3E, it does in a sense look like 3E. The Maneuvers help make it a bit better and there less of an emphasis on Feats to make your character better. Actually, I think the feats currently are in poor shape and I'm not too thrilled with any of them at the moment. Yes, as it is presented, Next is essentially a massive re-balancing of 3E. Is that such a bad thing, though? I guess it is, if you didn't like 3E, or if you think they're balancing it incorrectly, but you say that is not the major cause of your disappointment.
Yes, it's 3E with a sanity check, kind of. To be honest I'd be moderately ok this if 4E didn't happen in between. Now I just can't go back to that style of play anymore.
There's this too. D&D:Next, so far, hasn't made me feel like a real hero or even very heroic as 4E did, which is something I'm not too fond of. It also has lost a lot of the cinematic feeling that 4E's abilitys tended to give me and my group.
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6 months ago ::
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:50PM
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Date Joined:
May 24, 2012
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Well, the folks on the paizo forums seem to be snarking it as a Pathfinder-lite. If this came out in '08 instead of 4th (as mentioned by Uskglass), then I'm sure this would have been a much more celebrated product, but that's just not the case. So, we have a big problem here. However, I'm sure more options to kitbash into a 4e style game with groovy new elements will come around soon. That or everyone jumps ship to 13th Age (and the Pathfinder problem starts again!)
Disgruntled ghost of the Knights of W.T.F.
(Keep D&D alive, end the edition wars!)
"And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Disclaimer: Most of my posts are based on opinions (and are sometimes humorous, other times inspirational)
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