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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 1:46PM #1
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We'll see if they are, I guess.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 2:02PM #2
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I doubt they'll be fired. I'm willing to bet that pretty soon ESPN will put out a statement, and the radio hosts will all apologize and they their comments were either taken out of context, misconstrued, mistated, or all of the above.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 2:10PM #3
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ESPN has said they've already disciplined them internally and they've already 'apologized'.  In any case, I hope they're not fired.  What they said was wrong but they're allowed to say it.  I mean, what is this?  Canadia?
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 2:19PM #4
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Dec 12, 2012 -- 2:10PM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

ESPN has said they've already disciplined them internally and they've already 'apologized'.


Figures. It was probably a slap on the wrist and a "Don't say naughty things."

Dec 12, 2012 -- 2:10PM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

In any case, I hope they're not fired.  What they said was wrong but they're allowed to say it.  I mean, what is this?  Canadia?


If I was a network exec, I'd fire them. Why would you want people making statements that bring bad attention to the network? I'd fire them to make a point. I bet the next set of hosts that wanted to make a stupid statement would think about it first.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 6:45PM #5
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Dec 12, 2012 -- 2:10PM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

ESPN has said they've already disciplined them internally and they've already 'apologized'.  In any case, I hope they're not fired.  What they said was wrong but they're allowed to say it.  I mean, what is this?  Canadia?



There's a difference between being "allowed to say it" and "entitled to a platform to say it from".

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 5:54AM #6
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Dec 12, 2012 -- 2:19PM, homicidal_squirrel wrote:

Figures. It was probably a slap on the wrist and a "Don't say naughty things."




Odds are it was.  I haven't even heard word of a suspension.  I wonder how much these guys make and what their contract looks like.

If I was a network exec, I'd fire them. Why would you want people making statements that bring bad attention to the network? I'd fire them to make a point. I bet the next set of hosts that wanted to make a stupid statement would think about it first.




How's that old saying go?  All press is good press?  I agree that if they cost them sponsors an' money an' stuff, sure.  But fire them for that, not for saying something.  I know the distinction is minute but I feel it's an important one.  If we're free to say what we wish we should be free to say what we wish - no matter how stupid and insensitive.  That doesn't mean I think they should be free from consequences, though, and if what they said loses ESPN money, well, that's reason enough for dismissal. 

Dec 12, 2012 -- 6:45PM, EscherEnigma wrote:

There's a difference between being "allowed to say it" and "entitled to a platform to say it from".




True.  I just think it sends a bad message to fire someone for what they said.  I know it happens all the time (and often for lesser stuff than this) but I don't like it.  Like I said above, if you want to fire them, fine.  Just do it for some other reason.  Even if that reason is there only because of what they said, that's enough.  Again, minute distinction but important, IMO.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 6:01AM #7
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 5:54AM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

How's that old saying go?  All press is good press?  I agree that if they cost them sponsors an' money an' stuff, sure.  But fire them for that, not for saying something.  I know the distinction is minute but I feel it's an important one.  If we're free to say what we wish we should be free to say what we wish - no matter how stupid and insensitive.  That doesn't mean I think they should be free from consequences, though, and if what they said loses ESPN money, well, that's reason enough for dismissal.


You can say what you wish, but you can't say what you want when you wish... especially when you are representing someone or something (corporation) else. You can scream fire if you want, but you can't scream fire if you are a theater manager during work if there is no fire.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 6:20AM #8
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 6:01AM, homicidal_squirrel wrote:

You can say what you wish, but you can't say what you want when you wish... especially when you are representing someone or something (corporation) else. You can scream fire if you want, but you can't scream fire if you are a theater manager during work if there is no fire.




Meh, like I said I know what I want is something representative of a very minute distinction.  I mean, I know it's sorta silly.  It'd just make me feel better.  And we all want that.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 6:23AM #9
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Dec 13, 2012 -- 6:20AM, Zombie_Babies wrote:

Dec 13, 2012 -- 6:01AM, homicidal_squirrel wrote:

You can say what you wish, but you can't say what you want when you wish... especially when you are representing someone or something (corporation) else. You can scream fire if you want, but you can't scream fire if you are a theater manager during work if there is no fire.




Meh, like I said I know what I want is something representative of a very minute distinction.  I mean, I know it's sorta silly.  It'd just make me feel better.  And we all want that.


That's not what your wife wants.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 13, 2012 - 6:36AM #10
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Well yeah.  Marriage immediately turns a relationship adversarial.  That's what it's for!
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