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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 3:12AM #1
Plaguescarred
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Wandering Monsters
Elementary

By James Wyatt

Elementals and genies have their own charms, which James discusses this week in Wandering Monsters. Take a look at a brief discussion of cosmology, then dive right into the creature descriptions.

Talk about this column here.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 3:16AM #2
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I can't find this article. The link you have here goes to "Fairest of Them All".

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 3:21AM #3
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I think James was spot on for Elementals and Genies. Oh and Distant Land = Zakhara :P

For the Planes its better from a principle of inclusion so it works for all.


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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 4:29AM #4
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Ctrl+F phenomenal cosmic power



Most of it seems right otherwise.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 4:46AM #5
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Does he even bother reading Jon Schindehette's articles, and the responses they recieve? This is the second time this has happened, first with the dryads-as-nymph-subtype thing a few weeks ago, and now him completely ignoring the feedback saying to change the poll questions for being misleading, which got over 20 Likes - the most I've ever seen on any comment on any of these articles!

What's more, he utterly failed to capitalise on the poll results from last week, and mention did not mention the elemental archons at all.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 5:28AM #6
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The planar setup is good. I've seen few games where the actual organization of the elemental planes mattered, and if it did matter in a game I was running I would rather decide what the setup is. No matter what version your running, it takes some creativity and additions to the game to make the elemental planes interesting.

As for the basic elemetal creatures, not a bad start, though some of the more interesting 4e elemental creatures should be brought over also. 4e's "throw two random elemental words together" strategy didn't make better elementals in general. However, some of them are decent monsters and mixing some of them in will help to give groups of elementals more options and differing creatures.


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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 5:51AM #7
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Good article. I agree on almost everything. The only thing I really didn't understand is where he's aiming in terms of cosmology. It would be good to have an article presenting one Upper Plane to really understand what he means.

I see that all the previous poll results are in line with my thinking.  
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 5:52AM #8
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I'm all in favor of not having a default cosmology, but I'd still really like to see the options codified somewhere in a Next book.  It's one thing to say, "choose your own flavor" it's another to say "there is no flavor here, make up your own.  If you want to, you could buy some of our old books to figure out what the flavor used to be, but if you're new you're pretty much screwed."  Heck, I'd prefer a baked in option that I could change (because let's face it, I can change it regardless of what you say) than leaving it utterly blank.  

Also, genasi as almost indistinguishable from humans?  Maybe this is just innate conservatism talking, but why?  More different is more unique, and I rather liked genasi.  Obviously when you've got more than a sentence on them they might have plenty of cool, but I'm not really sure why you're throwing out the old fluff.  Anyone want to explain it?
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 6:11AM #9
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Dec 11, 2012 -- 5:52AM, powerroleplayer wrote:

Also, genasi as almost indistinguishable from humans?  Maybe this is just innate conservatism talking, but why?  More different is more unique, and I rather liked genasi.  Obviously when you've got more than a sentence on them they might have plenty of cool, but I'm not really sure why you're throwing out the old fluff.  Anyone want to explain it?


I like the genasi, and I definately prefer the "ZOMG a monster!" appearance over the "almost human" version, but the last part of the section did mention those with stronger ties to the elemental plane(s) might share more otherworldly qualities. I think the overall point is that different people want a different level of "wierd", and I am fine with allowing both extremes to exist as core.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 11, 2012 - 6:32AM #10
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I like "planar ambiguity" as a theme for Next's Manual of the Planes.

I find the poll responses from last week fascinating.  A lot less consensus than we've seen in the past.
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