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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 1:13PM #71
Cyclone_Joker
Date Joined: May 19, 2010
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Look, bro. I'll make this simple. There are rules that say a larger creature can wield a two-handed weapon one-handed. There are also rules that say said large creature takes a penalty for it, because those are still Medium weapons. That does not mean that a two handed weapon is magically a native one-handed weapon 'cuz Rocky Balboa. So, basically, get me some text that actually says "The quality of being a two-handed weapon is totally dependent on the size of the wielder." Otherwise, you are pulling irrrelevent text and making crap up.

Furthermore, even if we take that text as actual evidence in your favor(which it isn't), there's the little fact that there's this gem of text "This designation is a measure of how much effort it takes to wield a weapon in combat. It indicates whether a melee weapon, when wielded by a character of the weapon’s size category, is considered a light weapon, a one-handed weapon, or a two-handed weapon." Or, to put it simply, handedness is an inherent quality of a weapon. This is further supported by reality, in which something built and weighted like a greatsword, but half the size, would be basically unusable as a weapon. When combined with the fragment you left out of that passage, "A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder," you'd notice that, for a medium greatsword, a large wielder would take a -2 penalty, because a medium greatsword is a two-handed weapon. You know why? That's what a medium creature requires to use it. Because the Greatsword is medium. Unless you're also going to start arguing that an Ogre is really Diminutive when the Tarrasque walks by. Size is objective, and size categories are objective.

Furthermore, even if you were correct that a greatsword is a native one-handed weapon for a Large creature(Which you are not), you'd still run into the problem that Monkey grip doesn't actually let you grow. If you read the sections you've been quoting, you'll note that they specifically only refer to handedness changing if you're larger. You are not.

And, once again, "considered" does not mean "is."
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 1:32PM #72
Eld20Generalissimo
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
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I'm still trying to understand why you'd waste your time and argue with a guy whose first suggestion was Duskblade into Abjurant Champion with a one level dip into Exotic Weapon Master. I means seriously even if Monkey Grip did what he suggests (it doesn't) it's still a horrible build. I'd say that the fact that he's both bad as well as wrong doesn't warrent seven pages of conversation, some things are lost causes. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 1:38PM #73
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Dec 12, 2012 -- 1:32PM, Eld20Generalissimo wrote:

I'm still trying to understand why you'd waste your time and argue with a guy whose first suggestion was Duskblade into Abjurant Champion with a one level dip into Exotic Weapon Master. I means seriously even if Monkey Grip did what he suggests (it doesn't) it's still a horrible build. I'd say that the fact that he's both bad as well as wrong doesn't warrent seven pages of conversation, some things are lost causes. 


You have a point, especially on the quality of his ideas, but
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 12, 2012 - 1:44PM #74
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