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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 10:27AM #1
bibbiri
Date Joined: Dec 8, 2012
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Hello,

i've recently started a campaign, and in my moorpg-like vision of the party, i fit the role of the dps.
I'm in a very unbalanced party, mostly because of the laziness of the players in looking for classes, where we have a ninja, 2 warriors, a thief and wizard. Let's say that the only people around here accustomed to D&D are me (class yet to be chosen), the wizard and the DM, who costantly throws encounters which almost kill this melee- centred team.
Unfortunately for me, the best way to fix this would be rolling a cleric and buff-heal. This for me, it's not an option, since i find this veeery boring.
So i was thinking about a dps who could "think for himself" in the battle (also considerating ethereal/ incorporeal and flying enemies) and was undecided between Crusader (dps- wise, even if perhaps enroling a tank would help) and Tashalatora build.
I honestly cannot think of more classes, and i have excluded from the options the "big 5(6)", because pure caster has always been boring.
Every 3.5 manual is allowed but the uber-caster one (miser magic feat? don't remeber the name).
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 10:41AM #2
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Let's see... There's also the straight PsyWar 20, anything that will give you Warmind 10, Lester the Molester (you'll have to do an Internet search for that because the boards ate it), the Pinball Brothers (available in Tempest Stormwind's sig). Are you looking for builds, strategies, both?

EDIT: Oh, and I made a Weretouched Master build that might fit the bill, too. I'd have to link that later, because I don't remember the name of its thread.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:06AM #3
bibbiri
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jeez, i almost forgot a couple of details.

see, my DM when it comes to multiclass and prestige classes it's something like:
DM :"fine, to find the NPC teaching you the stuff, you'll have to climg the Everest, jump without rope from it and land safely in Sahara desert."
ME: "well this would be possible with a teleportation and a safe fall spell..."
DM: "nono, i said YOU and i mean YOU"

so it's already an exception for him to allow a "tashalatored" psywar.

i'm looking for a build mostly, expecially feats suggestion, as i can arrange a strategy for the situation.

if you can find it useful: those are the stats that are to be distributed. 15 15 15 14 14 13. not counting race bonuses (suggestion accepted).

btw, it is possible to "tweak" bonuses, moving +x and -x bonuses to needed stats. (e.g. a catfolk having +2 dex +2 wis -2int -2 car can be turned in a dogfolk +2dex +2 str -2wis -2 car, he considers a certain logic for such things).
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:11AM #4
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To be anything resembling adequate DPS, you must have a dead minimum of 10 damage per level per round. Anything less is far too low to be useful. You lose the rocket tag game, and then you die.

Now, there are a couple ways to do this. A crusader, by itself, will have to work to put out that kind of damage at mid-levels. I recommend an Idiot Crusader if you want to go ToB. This also has the benefit of some measure of flexibility. 

Weretouched Master is... adequate. Not as good as some options. Totally inferior to...

Psychic Warriors. Among the best melee damage dealers, outside of wizards and Sorcadins.

Now, if you really want damage, this is the way to go. That, or Chargers, but chargers are old news, and relatively easy to thwart.

Quite simply, we need more information. What do you actually want? Specifics are needed.

But, seriously, are people in your group seriously playing Warriors? That's kinda absurd.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:16AM #5
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By "Warrior", I assumed he meant a generic "good BAB class". If he actually meant the Warrior NPC class...  *shudder*

Judging by your description of the DM's attitude, I'd go with one of 2 things: either PsyWar 20 or Druid 20 with a focus on Summons and Wild Shape. 
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:20AM #6
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@cyclone:

befoe starting the campaign i said to everyone that i had the "bible of base classes" so they could check the best for them (newbies...) but they claimed "nah we go for warr hurr durr"

but also the rogue and the ninja go for straight melee stuff, so it's me and the wizard to raise the survival odds.

i was thinking of a: 1 monk -19 psy warr (multiclassing and prestige classes issues with DM as said above), with a dex based build since i gues i'd have serious issues with str.

the crusader is appealing for the seriously new way of playing melees (never tried ToB classes), but i feel limited against flying and ethereal/incorporealc reatures. magic equip it's hard to find and veeery costy in our campaign.

about the more info, what it's needed?

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:22AM #7
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Dec 8, 2012 -- 11:16AM, draco1119 wrote:

By "Warrior", I assumed he meant a generic "good BAB class". If he actually meant the Warrior NPC class... *shudder*


But there really isn't a generic one except fighter 

Judging by your description of the DM's attitude, I'd go with one of 2 things: either PsyWar 20 or Druid 20 with a focus on Summons and Wild Shape.


Really? I'd go with Wizard 20, set up a couple of Simulacra factories, maybe get 9s early. That sorta thing.

That, or a Water Orc Lion Spirit Totem Whirling Frenzy Barbarian 20. Should be topping 200 damage by level 6, and over a thousand by level 11, easy. I mean, if you're not into five digits on a charge by level 20, you aren't trying.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:26AM #8
bibbiri
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@draco: i didn't think psywarr was this viable, with the druid we have a serious issue of spontaneous hatred and such. long story.

@cyclone: water orc lion spirit what? 200 dmg by lvl 6? and i thought 16d6 dmg by lvl 5 was great D:

EDIT: i don't like big 5 classes. >.<
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:32AM #9
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Oh, my dear Deneir. Your DM is just asking for a CoDzilla. 

Psychic Warrior is fine all by itself, though if you wanted a Tashalatora PsyWar, nobody would stop you. Another option would be the Duskblade from PHB2, but it's probably worse than a Psychic Warrior.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 11:34AM #10
bibbiri
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some comprehensive thread for it? i read the psywarr handbook but there was everything but what was of my itnerest


(CoDzilla? what is it?)
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