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Dec 9, 2012 -- 9:54AM, Jenks wrote:

As a 4e fan, I'm loving the playtest. But then again, I'm not limiting myself to liking one style of D&D.

I don't consciously limit myself to liking one style of D&D. I just find that I prefer one existing style of D&D to the point where I like the earlier styles less. A lot less, to the point where I have no desire to play them or to a play a 5E primarily influenced by them.

Dec 8, 2012 -- 9:21AM, zago wrote:

Either way, I haven't heard hardly anyone be anti-4th. I just see a lot of people excited about next, and a lot of other people being mad that it's not 4th.

Lol.  Well, you've only been here a month, so you'd've missed the 4 years of anti-4e hatred and lies that we politely call the "edition war."  

It's sometimes hard to tell if some people are here just to subvert the experience for others out of malicious spite because of the the abrupt end to their game, or if they are legitametly trying to assist in the design of the new game.  Most of the time it seems like sabotage and not a sincere desire to participate in the community. Not saying they don't have thee right to come here and set up their signs, but the pretense that they are here to help is absurd.   

You're perfectly describing the malice of the 3.5 fans or "h4ters" who spent the last 4 years crusading against 4e, and, yes, now the shoe is on the other foot and some 4e fans are sinking to their level, while the h4ters are still going at it, hammer & tongs, trying to assure that absolutely nothing of 4e makes it into 5e.

Dec 9, 2012 -- 12:47PM, Zardnaar wrote:

Genuine non trolling question. How do you 4th ed fans want a tactical module implemented as I don't think it will be in the core rules.

Not really the most important question, for me.  I want the core rules to be balanced and playable.  If they can't manage that, a 'tactical module,' no matter how good, would be useless.

THey did say D&DN would be modular but they did not say when IIRC. The main probem with this is the required space. My 4th ed PHB has 8 classes that use up 126 pages between them and thats an average of over 15 pages per class.

 D&DN is gogin to have 14 classes core as they are bringing in thing like the Warlord and Warlock as core classes, the assassin and the 11 3.5 classes.

15 pages per class really isn't that bad, when you consider the parity those classes had.  In 3.5, the Fighter took up a few pages, plus a unique feat or two, while the 4 caster classes ate up 125 pages with spell descriptions, even though many spells were useable by two or more classes.   With casters taking up the equivalent of well over 35 pages each, 15/class was an improvement!

Even if they converted the 4th ed classes 100% from 4th ed thats 210 pages required just for the classes.

Sure.  But is short-changing some classes really a great way to cut down the space requirements?  No.

Were 5e to take the best of the 3.5 and 4e models, giving every class comparable resources and 'powers' (4e), but consolidating similar powers so many could be used by two or more classes (3e), it could not only squeeze the desired number of classes into a not-too-ponderous PH, it could make all those classes worthwhile, into the bargain.

Dec 9, 2012 -- 7:27AM, lokiare wrote:

Yeah, I don't get this comment. How can anyone find powers that give you ideas of what your character is capable of 'boring'. On top of that you can still do the basic attacks of previous editions. You can even improvise and do whatever you can imagine and the game stays balanced because of page 42. So here's how I see it:

3.5E and Before

• Basic Attack
• Improvisation
• A few special powers usually via feats or class features

4E

• Basic Attack
• Improvisation
• A few special powers usually via feats or class features
• Codified powers to give you great ideas on the capabilities of your character
• BALANCE

Mostly I think these people thought they had to change their play style up and didn't realize they could continue to play the way they always did with little or no problems...

You get it, you just don't agree. Polka may have the best rythym for dancing, doesn;t mean everyone enjoys it.

I didn't disagree with this when I started with 4e. But while we we're playing with it, the AED system broke OUR players immersion. I believe you guys when you say it doesn't for you. I'm not saying anything bad about your style. My players felt differently, and you can't change that. My players dont; want codified ideas about what there chracters can do, they use their imagination to create all kinds of abilities, these abilities change every combat.

Also a system CAN be balanced without AED, AED is just the easy way to do it. 

But again, so what? Someone likes something that someone else doesn't. I think it would BE great if there we're some AED classes in the core rules, I just know I won;t be playing if all classes have it, because no in my groups will play it. 

In the same way that if you dont; get things you like, you won't play it.