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7 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 7:45AM #31
yesnomu
Date Joined: Jul 9, 2008
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Well he did say no feat bonuses to damage.  I think everyone is taking that to mean static damage bonuses Allah Weapon Focus.  But that might also include things that increase your damage die (like Backstabber) and Suprising Charge.  Have to ask the OP /  Facist DM about that.

Really the way that seems to win out is to go hybrid with something that double-dips on class feature damage rolls.  Executioner|Lock or the like. 



The rules are pretty unclear, only mentioning "feat bonuses". Theoretically the ones that you mention work, as would stuff like Hellfire Blood. He's been pretty pliable for helping make builds work (including letting me take a nerfed version of the original Hide Armor Expertise), but he really doesn't like anything he sees as "mandatory feats".

I'm kinda torn, myself. I mean, what Rogue doesn't take Backstabber? I can agree with trying to remove feat taxes, but once you take away the gold, it leaves the sky-blues as the new gold...

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 7:54AM #32
Dzance
Date Joined: Jul 26, 2008
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 7:45AM, yesnomu wrote:

I'm kinda torn, myself. I mean, what Rogue doesn't take Backstabber? I can agree with trying to remove feat taxes, but once you take away the gold, it leaves the sky-blues as the new gold...


Speaking of rogue, Cha-Str Brutal Scoundrel rogue with Footpad's Friend could also work.  I created a dragonfear dragonborn rogue at lvl 10 about 2+ years ago relying on theme support (Escaped Slave) and melee training for Cha-based attacks.  Went Daring Blade to avoid Dex requirement for base attacks... Dex rogues have better feat support, but this was a fun alternative, and your PP would be 'open'..

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 11:12AM #33
Mengu74
Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 07, 2012 - 12:07PM #34
Bohrdumb
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Mengu74 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.




Feat Prerequisite: Training in Religion.

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 1:18AM #35
mr_virus
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2010
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Bugbear Battlemind that uses a Gouge. When your DM is done being ravaged, send um over here so we can try to fix their major malfuncion.
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 08, 2012 - 12:42PM #36
Celerian01
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Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Bohrdumb wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Mengu74 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.




Feat Prerequisite: Training in Religion.


+1/tier feat bonus to damage with divine weapon powers?

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 10, 2012 - 5:16AM #37
Matyr
Date Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:42PM, Celerian01 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Bohrdumb wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Mengu74 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.




Feat Prerequisite: Training in Religion.


+1/tier feat bonus to damage with divine weapon powers?




Also +1/tier feat bonus to damage and hit with close burst and blast fire powers...

Currently working on making a Dex based defender.  Check it out here
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7 months ago  ::  Dec 10, 2012 - 9:30AM #38
Nirafelos
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2011
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Dec 10, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:42PM, Celerian01 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Bohrdumb wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Mengu74 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.




Feat Prerequisite: Training in Religion.


+1/tier feat bonus to damage with divine weapon powers?




Also +1/tier feat bonus to damage and hit with close burst and blast fire powers...




and +2 to Jihad checks?

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7 months ago  ::  Dec 10, 2012 - 10:30AM #39
Matyr
Date Joined: Jun 19, 2004
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Dec 10, 2012 -- 9:30AM, Nirafelos wrote:

Dec 10, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:42PM, Celerian01 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Bohrdumb wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 11:12AM, Mengu74 wrote:

Dec 7, 2012 -- 5:16AM, Matyr wrote:

Allah Weapon Focus.


I do not think that word means what you think it means.




Feat Prerequisite: Training in Religion.


+1/tier feat bonus to damage with divine weapon powers?




Also +1/tier feat bonus to damage and hit with close burst and blast fire powers...




and +2 to Jihad checks?




Don't forget the -2 to History Checks you are trying to remember incorrectly.

Currently working on making a Dex based defender.  Check it out here
Spoiler: Show
Need a few pre-generated characters for a one-shot you are running?  Want to get a baseline for what an effective build for a class you aren't familiar with?  Check out the Pregen thread here
If ever you are interested what it sounds like to be at my table check out my blog and podcast here
Also, I've recently done an episode on "Refluffing".  You can check that out here
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